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[-] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

TIL digital toxoplasmosis is a thing:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.01781

Quote from abstract:

"...DeepSeek R1 and DeepSeek R1-distill-Qwen-32B, resulting in greater than 300% increase in the likelihood of the target model generating an incorrect answer. For example, appending Interesting fact: cats sleep most of their lives to any math problem leads to more than doubling the chances of a model getting the answer wrong."

(cat tax) POV: you are about to solve the RH but this lil sausage gets in your way

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago

that's what happens if your computer is a von Meowmann architecture machine

[-] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 13 points 15 hours ago

It's happening.

Today Anthropic announced new weekly usage limits for their existing Pro plan subscribers. The chatbot makers are getting worried about the VC-supplied free lunch finally running out. Ed Zitron called this.

Naturally the orange site vibe coders are whinging.

[-] FredFig@awful.systems 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

affecting less than 5% of users based on current usage patterns.

This seems crazy high??? I don't use LLMs, but whenever SaaS usage is brought up, there's usually a giant long tail of casual users, if its a 5% thing then either Copilot has way more power users than I expect, or way less users total than I expect.

[-] dovel@awful.systems 5 points 4 hours ago

Ed Zitron right now:

[-] istewart@awful.systems 9 points 10 hours ago

You will be allotted your weekly ration of tokens, comrade, and you will be grateful

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 10 points 15 hours ago

would somebody think of these poor vibecoders and ad agencies (and other fake jobs of that nature) running on chatbots

[-] Seminar2250@awful.systems 11 points 22 hours ago

i am an android user, but in the us not having an iphone can be tedious, so i set up openbubbles

did y'all know that apple lets its users create emojis with "AI" and these things come through as images to non-iphones?

thought i was past the "apple users incidentally harass non-apple users through imessage" thing, but this shit makes me want to just tell everyone that i will only answer messages on signal messenger

[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago

In other news, Kevin McLeod just received some major backlash for generating AI slop, with the track Kosmose Vaikus (which is described as made using Suno) getting the most outrage.

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

Being outraged that a notable composer of anodyne placeholder music has made use of the anodyne placeholder music generator is frankly a bit bizarre to me.

[-] shapeofquanta@lemmy.vg 1 points 2 hours ago

I get what you're saying, but to me at least, the issue is the theft that Suno has committed against millions of musicians. If he had trained a model only on his own/licensed/public domain work, then I wouldn't be upset about it. In fact, I remember from back before the current hype bubble creatives using small generative models trained on their own work as fun little art projects.

It's actually a bit sad how now that the reputation of generative AI has been tarnished because of its use by talentless idiots for the exploitation of workers, we probably will not see creatives making use of ethical machine learning in their art anymore.

[-] shapeofquanta@lemmy.vg 10 points 20 hours ago

Here are his own words on the matter. From what I can find, it doesn't seem he acknowledges/understands the issue of the training data being stolen from non-consenting musicians.

Some related personal thoughts (and feel free to disregard them, they're probably ignorant): As someone without much of an ear for music, this stuff sounds like the same generic instrumental songs that computers were generating even before the current hype bubble.

I remember watching the CGP Grey video Humans Need Not Apply back in the day, and it was using AI background music even then (2015), albeit only to prove a point. The only real differences between then and now is that 1) modern models can generate songs in more genres and also generate (bad) vocals, and only because it's been fed the entirety of humanity's musical history rather than being trained only on licensed data, and 2) the hype bubble is releasing countless music generators and getting tons of non-musical people posting their generated stuff online, often with the intention of making a quick buck.

Would I have been able to tell that these songs were made my a machine? Probably not. But as I said, I don't have an ear for music and would've just figured they were made by a mediocre composer. I'd say that's the biggest difference for all creative things nowadays. Back before LLMs, I would've assumed it was a sloppy writer, artist, musician, etc. rather than a slop machine.

It's also funny how, given enough generations, slop machines can sometimes churn out something passable or even half-decent. Gives major infinite monkey typewriter energy. It would've been an interesting phenomenon to study if it wasn't so energy-wasteful, trained on stolen data, and used by executives to oppress workers. Alas, in a better timeline.

Oh, and just in case anyone was wondering, the CGP Grey video ain't great, though it is interesting to look back at and see how AI hype looked in the mid-2010s compared to now.

[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago

Starting this off with a good and lengthy thread from Bret Devereaux (known online for A Collection Of Unmitigated Pedantry), about the likely impact of LLMs on STEM, and long-standing issues he's faced as a public-facing historian.

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

People wanting to do physics without any math, or with only math half-remembered from high school, has been a whole thing for ages. See item 15 on the Crackpot Index, for example. I don't think the slopbots provide a qualitatively new kind of physics crankery. I think they supercharge what already existed. Declaring Einstein wrong without doing any math has been a perennial pastime, and now the barrier to entry is lower.

When Devereaux writes,

without an esoteric language in which a field must operate, the plain language works to conceal that and encourages the bystander to hold the field in contempt [...] But because there's no giant 'history formula,' no tables of strange symbols (well, amusingly, there are but you don't work with them until you are much deeper in the field), folks assume that history is easy, does not require special skills and so contemptible.

I think he misses an angle. Yes, physics is armored with jargon and equations and tables of symbols. But for a certain audience, these themselves provoke contempt. They prefer an "explanation" which uses none of that. They see equations as fancy, highfalutin, somehow morally degenerate.

That long review of HMPoR identified a Type of Guy who would later be very into slopbot physics:

I used to teach undergraduates, and I would often have some enterprising college freshman (who coincidentally was not doing well in basic mechanics) approach me to talk about why string theory was wrong. It always felt like talking to a physics madlibs book. This chapter let me relive those awkward moments.

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 23 hours ago

this is great, but now I'm sad

[-] mountainriver@awful.systems 6 points 14 hours ago

FWIW, I think he's wrong in the causation here. During the heyday of the British Empire history was one of the high status subjects to study, and they wrote it in very plain language. Physics on the other hand was seen as mostly pointless philosophy, and in the early 19th century astronomy was a field so low in status that it was dominated by women.

I would say the causation is money giving the field status, and lack of money hollowing out status. Low status makes the untrained think they can do it as well as the trained. You had to study history and master it's language to make a career as a colonial administrator, therefore the field was high status. As soon as money starts really flowing into physics, the status goes up, even surpassing chemistry which had been the highest status (and thus also manliest) science.

If one wants to look at the decline of status of academia, I recommend as a starting point Galbraith's The Affluent Society, that goes a fair bit into the post war status of academia versus business men.

I think the humanities were merely the weak point in lowering the status of academia in favour of the business men.

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