[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 6 hours ago

links to AI 2027.

In Dutch we have a saying (from a commercial, well done on the advertisers there) 'Wij van Wc-eend adviseren Wc-eend' (we from the company Wc-eend, suggest you get Wc-eend), which seems appropriate here. It is used in a sarcastic context when somebody gives advice with a clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, just going from the title, 'X is exponential' has been the pro AI cry since the singularity is near. (Which said, well individual tech follows an S-curve, but all the techs combined are exponential, and variants on that). All seems very hopeium, immortality is near!

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 9 hours ago

So as historically new versions are made about every ~2 years. This means we are 6 years out.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Why spend so much time worrying about this I wonder, does he think that if he stops the acausalrobotgod it doesnt count if he did it for ego reasons?

Also this sentence is ver funny:

No offense, Ben, but this is very simple stuff - in fact, it's right there in the Zen definition of altruism I quoted. This is a very straightforward trap by comparison with any of the political-emotion mindtwisters, much less the subtle emergent phenomena that show up in a pleasure-pain architecture.

Emp mine, very simple stuff, creates a very weird sentence after that.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

Any of the big Rationalists get mentioned yet?

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago

Part of the thing is also that compared to Germany we have less of a feeling for hierarchies (not that they do not exist, see how parts of our language have sexism build in). Which leads to interesting moments good and bad. But yeah we are flat in various ways.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Any mention of my name is now often met by a claim that I keep a harem of young submissive female mathematicians who submit to me and solve math problems for me, and that I call them my "math pets".

I see he did the whole 'making an accusation sound more silly to undermine it' thing here, nobody said things about a whole harem of mathematicians, who just solve math problems. Nice steelman. I expect nothing less of somebody who was the subject of seven broadway plays.

(Amazing he basically admits the story is true after that, but continues to debunk the strawman).

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago

Developers of the 12-megawatt facility said it will bring jobs and investment to Nashville, but neighbors aren’t so sure.

The neighbors are right.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Doubt that is legal, but yeah good luck suing Thiel over an event like this and keeping a job. Stuff is so fucked. Remember when hackers were proud to leak this stuff, like how people worked together to go after scientology.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

Cloudflare is about to get really familiar with North Koreans.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Blow the one who created Braid? (Because he has been known to be iffy for a while now (for example https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/7kp08e/jonathan_blow_the_witness_braid_thinks_women_are/ ).

only to later claim that actually you are Dutch and it is in your culture to be an asshole.

This is such bullshit, our idea is that we are direct. We don't get that this comes off as being an asshole. If they use this as an excuse to be an asshole (which is a step worse than being an asshole by being direct), they are worse than a normal asshole. (Really hope it wasn't somebody I know).

And sadly I don't have any good help to offer. I don't know either. And the manifesto not blaming wider society, and the profit seeking/capitalist elements is a bit silly.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Do like somebody left a nice trap there:

You write "you can buy it here" but there is no link.

However, you can do better: the whole thing is available for free online. https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/accelerando-intro.html on the author's website is a good place to start; it has links to various versions of the book and also a little bit of explanatory material.

(Unrelated, hope Stross's recovery is going well, sorry for being a bit parasocial relationshippy here).

I like singularity sky more as a sort of critical book about how a post scarcity singularity would be easy to mess up. Very funny that it inspired the US to give free phones to Afghans to try and combat the Taliban.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

Is NP P or is NP not P, thats the question, by Scott Scottersons-Scottsson

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Via reddits sneerclub. Thanks u/aiworldism.

I have called LW a cult incubator for a while now, and while the term has not catched on, nice to see more reporting on the problem that lw makes you more likely to join a cult.

https://www.aipanic.news/p/the-rationality-trap the original link for the people who dont like archive.is used the archive because I dont like substack and want to discourage its use.

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

As found by @gerikson here, more from the anti anti TESCREAL crowd. How the antis are actually R9PRESENTATIONALism. Ottokar expanded on their idea in a blog post.

Original link.

I have not read the bigger blog post yet btw, just assumed it would be sneerable and posted it here for everyone's amusement. Learn about your own true motives today. (This could be a troll of course, boy does he drop a lot of names and thinks that is enough to link things).

E: alternative title: Ideological Turing Test, a critical failure

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Original title 'What we talk about when we talk about risk'. article explains medical risk and why the polygenic embryo selection people think about it the wrong way. Includes a mention of one of our Scotts (you know the one). Non archived link: https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about

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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

Begrudgingly Yeast (@begrudginglyyeast.bsky.social) on bsky informed me that I should read this short story called 'Death and the Gorgon' by Greg Egan as he has a good handle on the subjects/subjects we talk about. We have talked about Greg before on Reddit.

I was glad I did, so going to suggest that more people he do it. The only complaint you can have is that it gives no real 'steelman' airtime to the subjects/subjects it is being negative about. But well, he doesn't have to, he isn't the guardian. Anyway, not going to spoil it, best to just give it a read.

And if you are wondering, did the lesswrongers also read it? Of course: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hx5EkHFH5hGzngZDs/comment-on-death-and-the-gorgon (Warning, spoilers for the story)

(Note im not sure this pdf was intended to be public, I did find it on google, but might not be meant to be accessible this way).

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

The interview itself

Got the interview via Dr. Émile P. Torres on twitter

Somebody else sneered: 'Makings of some fantastic sitcom skits here.

"No, I can't wash the skidmarks out of my knickers, love. I'm too busy getting some incredibly high EV worrying done about the Basilisk. Can't you wash them?"

https://mathbabe.org/2024/03/16/an-interview-with-someone-who-left-effective-altruism/

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Some light sneerclub content in these dark times.

Eliezer complements Musk on the creation of community notes. (A project which predates the takeover of twitter by a couple of years (see the join date: https://twitter.com/CommunityNotes )).

In reaction Musk admits he never read HPMOR and he suggests a watered down Turing test involving HPMOR.

Eliezer invents HPMOR wireheads in reaction to this.

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