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bleed to death rule (lemmy.world)
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[-] FlapJackFlapper@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago

It's terrible for real emergencies but great for fictional ones!

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

Zombies are inherently magic, so a Zombie with the ability to magically disintegrate cybertrucks is as plausible as a regular Zombie.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Who should I run from? The zombies, or the nazis?

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You don't, because they will persist and hunt you without end. Correct answer is to aggressively seek and destroy them both without mercy, or they will keep coming back. Stop being a limp-dick pacifist because, so far, it hasn't stopped Nazis from returning.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

The Nazi zombies

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 272 points 5 days ago

Lets see what's more likely, having an accident requiring the fire department to save you, or a zombie apocalypse.

[-] froufox 132 points 5 days ago

Look, a perfect car for an unrealistic situation! ✨

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 60 points 5 days ago

It's great if you're Elon Musk and worried about people trying to attack you in your car when we decide to eat the rich though.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

I guarantee he rides around in something more anonymous and probably better armored than a Deplorean. Probably a black Suburban.

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I recall him pulling up to social events in a Cybertruck before they were released. I don't put it past him to be chauffeured around in one of these still.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 49 points 5 days ago

Yeah I can't remember the dude but he was doing comparisons between the F150 and the Cybertruck and the F150 won by only a point or two.

However the F150 won by like, towing and stuff. Cybertruck got points for like a door surviving a bomb blast. Points for the things that don't really matter.

[-] WordBox@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

The cyber truck hitch is a joke.

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[-] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 62 points 4 days ago

They're advertising to scared rich people

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 days ago
[-] nuko147@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

But zombies don't put cars on fire. We can.

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[-] Toribor@corndog.social 39 points 5 days ago

These chodes want a bulletproof pickup but it's easier to just drive a normal car so no one hates you enough to shoot at you.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 days ago

Its for the best, zombies actually want to eat someone with brains.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 169 points 5 days ago

Have fun burning to death in your swastikar!

[-] el_twitto@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago
[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago
[-] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago
[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Come one the joke is right there: IncEl Camino

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[-] hildegarde 96 points 5 days ago

Electric cars are a very bad choice as an apocalyptic vehicle because they require a working power grid. If you have a reliable electrical connection, its not the apocalypse.

A gas or diesel car or truck is a better choice because the fuel is a liquid. You can store, stockpile, and siphon it. The same cannot be done with electricity.

But the value of a car is limited. You can escape a local crisis. But for anything widespread, there would be little benefit to high speed travel. Anywhere you go will still be the apocalypse.

Build community. Work together with others locally. That's how humans have survived throughout most of history and its a much better survival strategy than a mad max cosplay.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 5 days ago

This is a weird argument considering that gas and Diesel absolutely go bad over time, and unlike electricity you can't exactly make more of them.

I mean you can set up solar panels, a water wheel, or Wind Turbine for off grid generation. And thus you can still charge an EV and many other things. With smaller or moderate solar setups it's probably not going to charge super fast but you could still charge it.

Compare that to gas and Diesel. It may seem better since you just pour it in the tank and it works without hours or days of charging. But eventually it's going to go bad, and it's going to start going bad everywhere in your own stockpile, in the gas stations and more isn't being drilled and refined.

Diesels are slightly better than gasoline engines since you can convert them to run them off different oils, there really isn't anything else you can run a gasoline engine off. But those are also finite, and even though some of them you can make yourself it's actually more work to produce enough vegetable oil to fuel a diesel engine then it is to use solar or wind to charge a battery. Even at abysmally slow speeds.

And actually ironically Diesel and gasoline have these same issues even outside of apocalyptic settings. If there was an economic crisis (or just some idiot in power) which stopped drilling and refining from happening then Diesel and gas will run out and those Diesel and gasoline cars are going to do nobody any good.

[-] htrayl@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Also, if you are really concerned, but think youll have something like diesel available, EVs are still better as not only are they more flexible, but a pretty low cost multi-fuel generator could charge it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago

Exactly, EVs just make more sense since they are more versatile in how you can charge them, you can charge them using a Gas generator (using that stockpile of Gasoline) or with a Solar setup if you're in it for the long term. A gas or Diesel car can only run on Gas and is basically useless once all the gas runs out or goes bad, and unlike electricity it's basically impossible to make Gasoline or Diesel yourself.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 days ago

they require a working power grid

They require some solar panels. Distributing fossils does require infrastructure though.

That said, the best vehicle for the apocalypse is a bicycle.

[-] Fjdybank@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

'some'

Can't tell if you are being wilfully obtuse. Look at the math: https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/calculate-how-many-solar-panels-you-need-to-charge-your-ev/

A small ioniq 6 requires 6 solar panels dedicated to the car. And that assumes charging through the day. Want to charge at night? Now you need a decent battery.

F-150? Now you need 12 panels. And a bigger battery. Plus your home energy needs, throw on a few more panels for that.

I'm frustrated by generic appeal to solar without consideration for the realities of same.

Though I completely agree with your bike comment.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

A small ioniq 6 requires 6 solar panels dedicated to the car. And that assumes charging through the day. Want to charge at night? Now you need a decent battery.

F-150? Now you need 12 panels. And a bigger battery. Plus your home energy needs, throw on a few more panels for that.

And how much investment do you need in fossil fuel to refuel your car? In the event of a societal breakdown, gas will not be brought to you, or we could count on electric lines also working.

6-12 solar panels are still cheaper and more versatile than an oil well and refinery combo.

[-] chocosoldier 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

in the event of societal breakdown it's gonna be far easier to siphon some gas tanks than to rig up an EV with a scavenged solar power setup, a working inverter, and sufficient battery bank. if it were me i'd start with the former and try and work towards the latter before all the gas goes stale. all that said cybertruck would be at the very bottom of the list, i'd rather use literally anything else in any and all scenarios.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 days ago

in the event of societal breakdown it’s gonna be far easier to siphon some gas tanks

Yeah, but those are finite and already in the possession of other people, and there are tons of gas guzzlers consuming it at all times. How long do you think those tanks will last? The sun won't go out.

But we agree, cybertruck is to big, heavy, not mobile enough and too high maintenance for this. E-bikes all the way to be honest for personal transport, e-kei trucks to haul cargo.

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[-] altasshet@lemmy.ca 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The real MVP of vehicles in the zombie apocalypse (and probably most other apocalypses) is a bike...

Fully agree on building community to avoid even getting into that position though.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

B-But muh rugged individualishm!

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[-] anton 41 points 5 days ago

You can only store gasoline for half a year. Electricity can be generated of grid if you have solar and the required alternators/converters.

Bikes are still the best for such situations.

[-] WordBox@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

You can store gas longer than that. Most 4cycles won't bat an eye unless that gas was stored in it's fuel system north of the tank. I'm 1.5yr into a 5gal tank that's only been "refueled" by syphoning between winter and summer equipment.

[-] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 37 points 5 days ago

Gasoline and diesel expire in less than a year.

In the present day, there are plenty of people living “off grid” powering their homes and EVs.

Without a power grid, electricity can still be generated with solar panels or by spinning a turbine (wind, hydro, etc)

Electricity can be stored in batteries that will last years. With the right skills, it is also technically possible to DIY a lead acid battery.

I’d argue that getting places quickly is a substantial advantage in survival. Travelling is dangerous, people used to die all the time on multi-day journeys. Being able to travel quickly expands that range of available resources, and a vehicle provides the means to move those resources.

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[-] hungryphrog 19 points 4 days ago

The thing is, these people love to think about their apocalypse fantasies where they vroom away from a pack of zombies in their car while shooting them from the window, rather than making a walled village and farming and breeding your neighbors backyard chickens for eggs.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 4 days ago

Tbh I don't think any kind of normal car is going to be a good "apocalypse vehicle". EVs might rely on electrical infrastructure, but gas vehicles ultimately rely on fuel refining and extraction infrastructure, making fueling them in the long run more difficult than an EV (since electricity isn't really that difficult to make, it might be unreasonable for a normal person unless they're some kind of hobbyist electrician and carpenter with a river next door or something, but a whole community could probably cobble together a small amount of generation capacity with enough motivation). Plus, any car made today is going to rely on complex components like computers, and most will require maintained paved roads.

What you honestly want, I would think, would be like a bicycle or something, maybe a robust cargo bike if possible, and maybe with the tires swapped for some that handle dirt better. Or if it must be something motorized

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[-] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

Maybe nothing can get in, but there's a lot the truck can't get out of too

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago

Functioning handles are a premium feature, sorry

[-] Siresly@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

Too much work for too little reward.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Its alway zombie protection for these do KS, always. Yet their telling on themselves. To their eyes zombies are the rest of humanity. Nameless, mindless soulless NPCs who aren't wealthy enough to be full humans with ridiculous status symbol "trucks". When they hear phrases like "eat the rich" and "free Luigi" they see themsleves as needing protection.

Which frankly, I find comforting.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

You're giving them too much credit. Elon doesnt care, zombies make his brain go brrrrr so he roleplays. That's it.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Maybe they should have tried shotguns.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago

Just throw a small, round ball at it. That seems to shatter it pretty quickly.

You can't save anyone with this method, but you sure can fuck up the car with it.

https://youtu.be/udxR5rBq_Vg

[-] carotte 38 points 5 days ago

its a perfect car for the apocalypse, so long as you have a functional electricity generator compatible with tesla plugs

and also that you cover it when it rains (it has no coating so it rusts in the rain)

and also that the apocalypse happens on even asphalt surfaces (it gets stuck in mud)

and also that you have access to a tesla-certified repair shop

and also that your onboard computer doesn’t break (if it breaks the whole truck can’t move)

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[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 32 points 4 days ago

Do they have a special universal key to the armored money trucks like the postal service does for mailboxes? Asking for a friend

[-] paperazzi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

The door skins are just held by a cheap glue, tho. Pretty sure it's easy enough to rip that off and throw a grenade in there.

But if they tug on the door, it'll come clean off.

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