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[-] oo1@lemmings.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Shares / stocks aren't worth 1 bean until you sell them and are able to convince someone to grow the bean.

To feed people you need actual beans not shares in server farms or mega yachts .

Selling shares in server farms does not automatically increase the yield of bean farms - or even switch livestock pasture into arable. Even the mega yachts would need a serious refit to become workable fishing vessels - probably not sustainable for 216 years though.

You could probably end "AI" poverty or something else pointless like that.

The idea of taxing the rich is more about being able to convince normal people to spend more time doing useful stuff (like public service) instead of billionaire service. The $ values are next to meaningless for measuring that.

I'd prefer to measure human hours (+land + other basic resources) spent serving luxuries to billionaires - on a current time basis. Then ask what else could practically be done with those hours or resources.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago

Well yes, but unless you dismantle things it'll probably backfire. A ton of that wealth is in owning companies, and if that ownership transfered to the state, it would need to be liquidated by selling it to... someone. Which would tank stocks, which would then tank 401ks and IRAs and a lot of other retirement funds, etc.. It would get messy and a ton of non-billionares would be impacted.

Now you can argue that you then use your newfound government cash to pay a new universal social security, and that's possible but you'd need to design all that ahead of time. Plus if your goal is to not impact people with less than a billion... well, no dice. It's hard to target just the billionaires, basically.

Still, if we could at least start the process that'd be lovely. Dismantling the whole system is more effective and way better, but my money would be on gradual socialist improvements paid via higher taxes and not a system overhaul. As it is, we're going backwards, though, so meh.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Thanks for listening.

[-] Xtallll 21 points 13 hours ago

The worst part is most of that money would end up right where it started.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago

You can always redo it. Family wealth counting together next time.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 17 points 12 hours ago

Yeah true. El problema es el capitalismo.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 12 hours ago

I agree, but don't let the subtext to this be why even try (not saying your sentiment is cynical, but people will read it this way).

A lot of good can be done by the right kind of disruption. Won't solve the system, but would allow for some economic mobility

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 34 points 15 hours ago

It'd be complicated to extract this from companies they own without destroying the companies. It could maybe work by force emmiting stock and the payments for it going directly to the government, so the company doesn't owe debt. The stock price will drop, so it will be affordable for workers to buy it and the former owner would basically be disowned at least partially.

[-] tibi@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Just give the shares to the employees who do the actual work.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

if the government gives them for free, it won't get the billlionaire money to solve the issues the OP mentioned. it could give the emlpoyees cheap stock options tho

[-] tibi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Right now, most corporations are organized like monarchies or oligarchies where the guys on the top make the rules, and the rest just execute them. This would democratize corporate ownership. We spend at least half of our time awake at work. We should have a voice on how the companies we work for should operate.

I'm a software developer, and in the big companies I worked for until today, there is a big disconnect between the decisions taken up high and us, the workers. I've seen so much talent be wasted because upper management only cares about short term profit. Or inhumane decisions like laying off an entire site a week before Christmas.

[-] guy@piefed.social 35 points 14 hours ago

The same companies most possibly destroying our planet? The horror

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

you mean like tesla? if the government dismantled it to use the profits to solve world hunger it creates two more problems:

  • employees losing their jobs
  • one less electric car manufacturer
[-] guy@piefed.social 4 points 2 hours ago

Employees with experience of electric car manufacturing now with the opportunity to work at the other electric car manufacturers that will step up to fill the gap left by Tesla?

Or just taking a job helping eradicate world hunger

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

yeah, well, if you don't wanna do a careful approach with their companies, all those millions of employees will bear some of the burden of that chaos. i think it's better to do transition them through shares and new ownership. maybe with cheap stock options for the employees, so they can become the owners.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 19 points 14 hours ago

It’d be complicated to extract this from companies they own without destroying the companies

In that case, let's do it and destroy the companies at the same time. Two birds with one stone.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

you mean like tesla? if the government dismantled it to use the profits to solve world hunger it creates two more problems:

  • employees losing their jobs
  • one less electric car manufacturer
[-] kmaismith@lemm.ee 12 points 14 hours ago

I mean, we’re talking about taking the wealth and distributing it for more constructive purposes, if it doesn’t demolish a handful of fortune 500s in the process we’ve made a mistake. Those fortunes would then be able to be used to take all the workers pointlessly generating wealth for the billionaire class and start working on socially useful ventures

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

It depends, in theory Amazon should be more efficient but that only works if you close most of the brick and mortar stores and replace it with housing or something useful.

[-] HEXN3T 7 points 13 hours ago

This would solve world hunger forever. Money wouldn't be syphoned anymore.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

That's not how money works.

Explained something like this to a friend back in the day. He said the government could easily give us each $1M. And he was right!

Me: "You know I have a small lawn service, right? Charge $20 per lawn? What would you have to pay me if I had a million in the bank? I probably wouldn't consider anything less than $10,000 for a job."

Mike: "Yeah, but you could still eat at McDonalds for $5."

Me: "Who would work there?!"

Yes, we need to start extracting the wealth back downwards, but we can't just flood the streets with dollars.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 53 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

They didn’t suggest giving everyone a million dollars, they suggested using the seized money to pay people to do work on giant social issues.

It could feed everybody - by paying farmers the normal rate for their food.

It could halt climate change - by paying people the normal rate to install renewable energy.

The number of jobs would increase, and society’s problems would be solved, all without causing hyperinflation via huge handouts.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Do we actually understand the full impact of such a move? I'd like to hear an economists' take on this.

edit: downvotes for curiosity. Kinda sad.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Maybe the closest thing like this would be the New Deal program after the Great Depression.

[-] SleepyPie@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

Why would we flood the streets? Invest the money in public projects, services, etc. People work them as jobs, now we have more middle class - other businesses make money selling them services - the economy grows.

For an example of this working in America look up Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “New Deal”.

[-] don@lemm.ee 11 points 15 hours ago

we can't just flood the streets with dollars.

Where in the post was this suggested or even referenced? I see nothing indicating “just give everyone lots of money, yay!”, but I do see how the money referenced could be put to use.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

Everything you think you know about economics is wrong, and you probably learned it because an oligarch tricked you.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 4 points 14 hours ago

Your comment is bizarrely off-topic.

But anyway, since we're already off topic, let's abolish currency and give everyone what they need instead of creating a system that encourages the hoarding of wealth and resources.

"ThIs Is NoT hOw MoNeY wOrKs" <-- take that arrogance to reddit

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

You're confounding redistributing money versus injecting money.

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Gotta keep people poor so they're willing to flip burgers for you

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