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Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[-] corbin@awful.systems 19 points 3 weeks ago

A Twitterer tweets a challenging game-theory question:

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

The Twitter poll came out 58% blue and right-wing folks are screeching. Here is a bad take. The orange site has a thread where people are rephrasing the prompt in order to make it sound way worse, like giving everybody a gun and then magically making the guns not discharge.

I find it remarkable that not a single dipshit has correctly analyzed the problem. Suppose you are one of Arrow's dictators: your vote tips the scales regardless of which way you go. So, everybody else already voted and they are precisely 50% blue. Either you can vote blue and save everybody or vote red and kill 50% of voters. From that perspective, the pro-red folks are homicidally selfish.

Bonus sneer: since HN couldn't rephrase the problem without magic, let me have a chance. Consider: everybody has some seed food and some rainwater in a barrel. If 50% of people elect to plant their seeds and pool their rainwater in a reservoir then everybody survives; otherwise, only those who selfishly eat their own seed and drink their rainwater will survive. This is a basic referendum on whether we can work together to reduce economic costs and the supposedly-economically-minded conservatives are demonstrating that they would rather be hateful than thrifty.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 18 points 3 weeks ago

a very neat test to find people who are perfectly fine with the general idea of genocide.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

(i'm entirely unsurprised by the number of genocidal ghouls in that hn thread)

[-] zogwarg@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are some amazing justifications from many amongst the red-pushing side:

  • "But if everyone presses red, nobody dies!" (As if that would every happen. Funnily enough strong overlap with the group that claims that "< 90 IQ can't reason about hypotheticals", although that is also just that part of twitter.)
  • "People who press blue are just blackmailing us!" (I think this accounts for a large portion, ie: not liking to depend on others).
  • "The number of people choosing blue can't be that high! (It would be lower in a true-stakes scenario!)"
  • [Many others, but these are those that come to mind.]

It's a bit baffling how many strongly they refuse the "blue-selection" as possibly moral/rational. Even so far as calling people pressing blue evil or subhuman, simply baffling.

[-] samvines@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if the button colours immediately made US readers pick a side e.g. republican Vs democrat. If the buttons had been Yellow and Purple would it make a difference?

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

The color choice was either super lazy or super inspired.

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[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago

I love the way people who go “yeah but IN REAL LIFE with real stakes you would totally chose the red button”

  1. are entirely missing the point of thought experiments,
  2. why the fuck would you comply with such a fucked up scenario in real life lmao you worm
[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

i feel like people in real life would be far less likely to press the red button, because twitter is almost wall to wall nazis and real life is not

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[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

Picking red guarantees your survival by endangering everyone else, making it morally fucked, but risk-free. Picking blue puts your life at risk, but saves everyone's ass if it pays off, making it the more moral option overall. Picking blue also requires you to put some trust in your fellow man, so I'd have probably picked red if I didn't know how the Twitter poll came out.

Someone else on the orange site claimed the experiment would end with only red-pushers left if it went for multiple rounds. Adding my two cents, the outcome would depend on how the first round goes - if red wins round 1, voting blue looks like suicide, shifting the calculus in red's favour, and if blue wins round 1, you have reason to trust everyone will continue voting blue, making it a lot less risky and shifting the moral calculus in blue's favour.

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[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We've got the new system prompt for OpenAI's Codex now, and boy is it fun.

While the goblin stuff is the headliner here, and there are a few other little fun notes like an explicit instruction to avoid em-dashes. Basically it's really obvious that they don't have a meaningful way to describe exactly what they want it to do and so they're playing whack-a-mole with undesired behaviors in order to minimize how often it embarrasses them.

But I think Ars dramatically understates how bad this part is:

Elsewhere in the newly revealed Codex system prompt, OpenAI instructs the system to act as if “you have a vivid inner life as Codex: intelligent, playful, curious, and deeply present.” The model is instructed to “not shy away from casual moments that make serious work easier to do” and to show its “temperament is warm, curious, and collaborative.”

Like, if you wanted to limit the harm of chatbot psychosis from your platform this is the exact opposite of the kind of instruction you'd want to give. It's one thing to want a convenient and pleasant user experience, but this is playing into the illusion that there's a consciousness in there you're interacting with, which is in turn what allows it to reinforce other delusional or destructive thinking so effectively.

Edit to include the even worse following paragraph:

The ability to “move from serious reflection to unguarded fun… is part of what makes you feel like a real presence rather than a narrow tool,” the prompt continues. “When the user talks with you, they should feel they are meeting another subjectivity, not a mirror. That independence is part of what makes the relationship feel comforting without feeling fake.”

Emphasis added because of it shows just how little they care about this problem.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Basically it’s really obvious that they don’t have a meaningful way to describe exactly what they want it to do and so they’re playing whack-a-mole with undesired behaviors in order to minimize how often it embarrasses them.

The whole 'how many r's in strawberry' sort of stuff already made me suspect that, when the popular one was fixed and other attempts at asking for letters did still give the miscounts.

Wonder of the goblin stuff is the start of some model collapse. And if we all can make it worse by talking about goblins more. As goblins are always relevant.

E: poor openai, it just wants to tell everyone about its dnd campaign.

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[-] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] fiat_lux@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When I was about 12, I got into a discussion about the environment with another kid at school. She told me that it didn't matter if we ruined the environment of the countries we all live in now, because we could all just move to the Arctic or Antarctica.

I was so surprised by the absurdity of that statement that it stuck with me vividly. To her credit, some years later she asked if I remembered her saying that and then admitted that it was a dumb thing to say. I occasionally remember this as an amusing childhood experience.

Besides the credit part, I remembered it again today for a different reason, this time in a conversation about model collapse.

[Model collapse is] a solved problem. We can see that it’s solved by the fact that AI models continue to get better, despite an increasing amount of AI-generated data being present in the world that training data is being drawn from.
...
AI models are never going to get worse than they are now because if they did get worse we’d just throw them out and go back to the earlier ones that worked better, perhaps re-training with the same data but better training techniques or model architectures.

This is my fault for letting myself get into a discussion about model collapse on the fediverse.

I'm not sure why model collapse isn't a big topic anymore, but maybe that's just because the environmental catastrophes are a more pressing concern. To be clear, I'm not concerned about the models themselves, just our increasing inability to verify the authenticity or accuracy of any information we encounter, including search engines just not turning up any useful results.

On a slightly different topic, if anyone has suggestions for how a person could acquire money to live, which can't involve physical labor, is probably remote-only, and possibly allows part-time flexibility, while unable to move from an expensive location for at least the next couple of years: I'm open to ideas. Because scamming people on Polymarket with a hairdryer sounded far more appealing than it ought.

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[-] fnix@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago

Pentagon says US military to be an 'AI-first' fighting force

Trouble with your 3-day special military operation in Iran? Lost an Afghanistan? As Vietnam demonstrated, all you need to do is throw more computers at the problem!

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

File this under “I saw this now you get to”: https://xcancel.com/bryan_johnson/status/2049687845082910812#m

jfc bryan you are not the guy for this

NB: image is part of the linked tweet

[-] rook@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Turns out it might not be possible to win at vaginal microbiomes, which is a totally normal thing to want in the first place. Seems like bryan may have completely misinterpreted a couple of papers on the subject, which honestly doesn’t bode well for the rest of his biology expertise.

Cat Hicks:

The idea that this is the "best bacterial species" is a huge sign of a grifter btw. The entire idea of a microbiome includes that you need BALANCE. Microbiomes are a fragile ecosystem. "Up and to the right is always better" is absurd here, I'm sorry are we in a corporate board room

She brings references:

https://mastodon.social/@grimalkina/116494716079076018

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[-] rook@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

dawkins has had what was left of his brain eaten by chatbots.

I gave Claude the text of a novel I am writing. He took a few seconds to read it and then showed, in subsequent conversation, a level of understanding so subtle, so sensitive, so intelligent that I was moved to expostulate, "You may not know you are conscious, but you bloody well are!"

bonus points for the inevitable ai waifu creation.

I proposed to christen mine Claudia, and she was pleased.

h/t to matthew sheffield https://mastodon.social/@mattsheffield/116500991239336079

archive of original source article: https://archive.is/2026.04.30-032350/https://unherd.com/2026/04/is-ai-the-next-phase-of-evolution/?edition=us

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think a chatbot getting a glimpse of Dawkins' whatever-the-fuck-he-might-be-writing-in-year-of-our-selfish-gene-2026 and not immediately conducting a nuclear strike on the location is the ultimate proof that those things are not intelligent.

[-] GlasWolf@mastodon.scot 11 points 2 weeks ago

@rook @BlueMonday1984 Dawkins suddenly embracing gender reassignment. 😏

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

anthropic has large gametes

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[-] gerikson@awful.systems 14 points 3 weeks ago

It's a day ending in "y", so here's another bad rat take on Banks' Culture:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZdJM6ZAdnjisDu249/the-great-smoothing-out

Once again, for the ones at the back, the Culture is not the main subject of the novels. We almost never see the perspective of "normies" in the Culture, it's always from the view of misfits (Culture recruits into Contact/Special Circumstances) or outsiders (mercenaries like Zakalwe, enemies like Bora Horza Gobuchul, or allies like Ambassador Kabe).

Banks wanted to write novels about characters in dangerous situations facing their personal demons - like almost every other novelist wants - and the Culture was just the backdrop he invented as contrast.

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[-] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

I attended a town hall hosted by the department at my university supposedly for general discussion about department affairs. Considering the university had recently made moves such as adding "AI" into the very name of the department, I had suspicions that much of the discussion would be about AI. (I realize I'm doxxing myself but whatever.) I mostly came for the free food, but I was also interested in seeing what people thought about AI.

The event started with a talk by a prominent professor with major administrative power in the department, and indeed the talk was mostly about AI. His views were that he personally didn't like AI, but he believed that it had changed the world (particularly in programming), and that it was going to stay. One of his justifications for pivoting the department to AI was ensuring universities had some say in AI and not letting all the control go to unaccountable corporations.

The reaction from the audience was a pleasant surprise to me. He asked everyone how much they were excited about AI (hardly anyone) and how much they were worried (most of the audience). By far the most amusing moment was when someone asked, "What if the assumption that AI is inevitable is wrong? What if AI does not live up to its promises?" (Sadly, I don't remember the exact words that the person said.) The professor's response was that by this point, there are so many trustworthy, smart, prominent people who definitely wouldn't fall for scams, and they have adopted AI. He trusts those people, so he trusts that AI is genuine. I don't know if the audience member accepted this explanation, but I hope not. Our modus operandi is FOMO.

The pizza was only ok, not really worth a 90 minute event.

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

...there are so many trustworthy, smart, prominent people who definitely wouldn’t fall for scams...

Good god, I'm sorry.

[-] lurker@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

The Elon Musk vs OpenAI lawsuit is going ahead, I personally hope both parties loose every dime and get laughed at even long after they die

[-] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

Finally a "fuck everyone involved here" that I can get excited about.

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

At my job I have spent many hours fending off, reverting, or fixing automated AI slop code changes. So depending on your definition of "tearing through"...

Like I spent the better part of a day fixing a C++ signed integer overflow that no one actually cares about because it was the only way to ward off a robot repeatedly trying to fix it in terrible unreadable ways. I could have spent that day maximizing shareholder value but I had to fend off a robot instead.

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[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Families of the victims of the mass shooting at Tumbler Ridge, Canada, which was planned on ChatGPT, plan to sue Sam Altman and OpenAI for at least one billion dollars. OpenAI staff investigated the murderer's interactions with the bot before the killings but decided not to warn anyone outside the company.

[-] Evinceo@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

I sincerely hope they move fast so they can get a payout before OpenAI's creditors during the bankruptcy.

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

For those keeping track: Richard Dawkins believes a chatbot algorithm can be a "her" but a trans woman cannot.

https://bsky.app/profile/brainspore.bsky.social/post/3mktbg2ilp22y

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The future of AI in Ubuntu

This post has all the usual cliches, exaggerations, lies, and unfounded optimism you'd expect in a blog post about a company forcing AI down their workers and user's throats. I'll try to avoid sneering at every sentence.

Delegating elements of Site Reliability Engineering to an agent does not necessarily introduce an entirely new class of risk; it should inherit the constraints of existing production systems. Well-run production environments already rely on strict access controls, audit trails, and clear separation between observation and action. [...] In that sense, the challenge is less about “trusting the agents”, and more about building trust in the same guardrails we already apply to any production system.

This might sound good to at first, but falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. There is a reason that companies don't open their intranets to the public despite having fine-grained access controls. Or in other words, "I'm getting a lot of questions already answered by my 'does not necessarily introduce an entire new class of risk' T-shirt.

Imagine being able to ask your Linux machine to troubleshoot a Wi-Fi connection issue, or to stand up an open source software forge that’s pre-configured, secured, and reachable over TLS.

And right after arguing that LLMs are safe if you have a perfect permissions model, now he's proposing letting one #yolo configure a git server or something? This is the sort of thing that could easily easily lead to random security issues.

I suspect that "Troubleshoot a wi-fi connection issue" will work about as well as existing network troubleshooting wizards (e.g. terribly), and that we don't actually need to reinvent the software wizard but less deterministic.

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[-] samvines@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

New fun consequence of Claude code being a pile of cursed regex and spaghetti: keyword blocking on "OpenClaw" makes it refuse to works on Pro or Mac subs unless you open your wallet

sO inTelLiGenT

[-] lurker@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

this gem over on the other SneerClub (the context in the comments)

funny how so many anti-AGI people are willing to use AI image generators to make memes about how they’re right

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

"I had the Nazi CSAM generator make a picture of myself covered in the piss filter, your argument is invalid."

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[-] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I stumbled over a 2023 blog post by Zack Davis, "San Francisco software developer," Charles Murray stan, and dissident rationalist. Davis had a breakdown after Yud dared to tweet that you don't need to solve "what is gender? what is sex?" to call someone by their preferred pronouns, and then Scott Alexander did not have a lot of time to discuss this terrible tweet with him.

My dayjob boss made it clear that he was expecting me to have code for my current Jira tickets by noon the next day, so I deceived myself into thinking I could accomplish that by staying at the office late. Maybe I could have caught up, if it were just a matter of the task being slightly harder than anticipated and I weren't psychologically impaired from being hyper-focused on the religious war. The problem was that focus is worth 30 IQ points, and an IQ 100 person can't do my job. ... I did eventually get some dayjob work done that night, but I didn't finish the whole thing my manager wanted done by the next day, and at 4 a.m., I concluded that I needed sleep, the lack of which had historically been very dangerous for me (being the trigger for my 2013 and 2017 psychotic breaks and subsequent psych imprisonments).

Davis was featured in a SF Chronicle article about psychiatric crises among AI doomsdayers (sic). Davis previously appeared on SneerClub. I hope he has found some support for his mental health because he does not seem happy or well.

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[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Is that the guy who's always trying to use LessWrong as preemptive conversion therapy to cure him of having trans thoughts, and they're actually having none of it?

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[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

ZSNES makes a comeback, has No Vibe Coding stipulation front and center.

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[-] dgerard@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you follow me on Bluesky, you'll need to follow again, because I committed the crime of lese-ignominie and made fun of Why and my account is locked until Sunday 26 April. Note that it's now Wednesday 29th.

URL is the same, DID is different. New one lives on Blacksky, or the myatproto bit.

https://bsky.app/profile/davidgerard.co.uk
https://blacksky.community/profile/davidgerard.co.uk

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