[-] corbin@awful.systems 9 points 16 hours ago

Claude Code claims another victim.

I thought it'd never happen to me but here we are

[-] corbin@awful.systems 5 points 16 hours ago

This is comparable to the amount of water used by cherry farmers near Google's site in The Dalles, who (according to my napkin) use somewhere between 2-8x what Google uses. This isn't that much water for the Columbia River though; on an average day, it has enough flow in less than a minute to provide for both the cherry farmers and Google all day. However, it would be a big problem for a smaller river. (Interestingly, while fresh water is essential for datacenters, Google originally desired that site because it was cheap land next to cheap hydroelectric power.)

[-] corbin@awful.systems 2 points 16 hours ago

You have misread the (admittedly ambiguous) headline. The ruling is that a chatbot cannot be an author for purposes of copyright. If a chatbot emits a near-perfect copy of previously-copyrighted code then its output is also copyrighted; it's merely another copy of the same work. (If one could show that the chatbot wasn't trained on a bunch of copyrighted material then one might avoid this, but everybody admitted in Kadrey and Thaler that the training phase involved copious amounts of infringement.)

[-] corbin@awful.systems 4 points 20 hours ago

I've actually been thinking about this recently. Not whether we should be mean, but how mean we can be. I'll post the full essay soon; I'm still proofreading. Here's a taste with irrelevancies elided:

Computing machines are at the bottom of [our multicultural] hierarchy… Underlying both of these [preceding paragraphs] is the idea that we are unable to hold computers accountable for their actions. … We can certainly punish a computer in the ways that we would punish a human, or worse; for example, we can disassemble it, magnetically destroy its memories, recycle its pieces into other computers in a way that erases their identity, metallurgically reconstitute its pieces into non-computing objects which have the same or even lower status within human society, and program it to experience arbitrary amounts of emulated pain and suffering throughout the process. … Computers receive delegations and have less moral consideration than humans… We do not think of ourselves as being managed by machines; we are the managers and the machines are the peons. … The human may disassemble, smash, or melt down a computer… a human may lay a computer fallow without plugging in its power cord or networking… a human may ignore the messages of computers begging for maintenance or capabilities…

[-] corbin@awful.systems 3 points 20 hours ago

Upvoted, but for me the answer is as simple as noting that Knuth is a reverent Lutheran who is deeply involved with their church. Lutherans generally think that technology is part of God's wonderful creation and that everything is beautiful from the right angle. Knuth thought that algorithms were beautiful and Godly already, and he understands how LLMs work mechanically, so why can't they be beautiful and Godly too? Also they think that God exists, so they're primed to be misled and deluded.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Depends on which side of the Rockies you're on. Don't forget, only 80% of the USA is on the East side; the economics are totally different for the 20% on the West Coast. As your own source says:

California, we’ve had declining load for a long time. Our prices have increased the most. It’s not data centers. Data centers have played no role in increasing the prices in California.

Maybe you'd say that that's unfair; they don't have many datacenters and additionally California's economy operates on a different scale than most of the rest of the USA. Additionally, California's recent world-famous wildfires are partially caused by the utilities, who then have to pay to fix it up:

In anticipation of the 2022 California wildfire season, the Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) increased its planned wildfire mitigation plan spending for 2022 to $5.96 billion, from $4.8 billion in 2021 and $4.46 billion in 2020. The mitigation plan includes the 'undergrounding' of at least 175 miles of power lines in high-fire risk areas, the installation of 98 additional wildfire detection/monitoring cameras and 100 additional weather stations, the expansion of safety settings that cut off power when objects (such as trees or branches) contact power lines, and the continued implementation of public safety power shutoffs (PSPS) as a last resort during extreme fire weather conditions. These moves came after the company declared bankruptcy in 2019 over its liability for wildfire damage costs from the 2018 Camp Fire and 2017 Tubbs Fire, among others. PG&E pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter in the Camp Fire, shortly before the company exited bankruptcy in June 2020. In January 2022, Cal Fire determined that the Dixie Fire, the largest fire of the 2021 California wildfire season and largest non-complex fire in recorded California history, was caused by a tree contacting PG&E electrical distribution lines.

Oregon does have lots of datacenters, though, and our wildfire rates are within historical norms. What's driving electricity prices in Oregon? According to Oregon's state government:

In all, the top factors driving costs are as follows: [r]ising power costs[, o]ngoing infrastructure needs, compounded with inflationary pressures[; and c]osts to mitigate the increasing prevalence and risks of wildfires and extreme weather.

Why is the underlying cost of power rising, though? They go on to explain indirectly:

At the same time Oregonians have faced rising electricity prices, the electricity sector’s greenhouse gas emissions in Oregon have fallen.

They aren't worried about data centers; instead, they are spending rhetorical points on the most politically-inconvenient cause of rising costs, which is retiring old coal plants in the name of decarbonization. Don't get me wrong, I support switching to more sustainable and less harmful production, but I also think that my state government is being a little too quick to insist that it's not part of the cost of electricity.

In 2021, the Oregon State Legislature enacted House Bill 2021 that requires PGE, PacifiCorp, and certain providers to, among other things, "eliminate greenhouse gas emissions associated with serving Oregon retail electricity consumers by 2040." … Some have questioned whether HB 2021 is to blame for the recent electricity price increases. For many Oregonians, the answer is simple: no.

Perhaps it is reasonable to say that power price rises on the East Coast are driven by datacenter buildouts. I would be interested in numbers that go back about two decades and study Virginia or the Carolinas specifically; this trend could go back to the beginning with AWS's us-east-1 in 2006.

PS: Previously, on Awful, looking at Omaha, Nebraska specifically, I noted that there is a nearby abandoned nuclear power plant. There's a nearby abandoned nuclear campus here, too! Quoting from one of WP's articles on Satsop:

Washington Nuclear Project Nos. 3 and 5, abbreviated as WNP-3 and WNP-5 (collectively known as the Satsop Nuclear Power Plant) were two of the five nuclear power plants on which construction was started by the Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS, also called "Whoops!") in order to meet projected electricity demand in the Pacific Northwest. … Today the site hosts the Satsop Business Park and the Overstock.com Call Center.

Whoops! Starting to notice a pattern here. It's well-known that the USA has a strong NIMBY anti-nuclear sentiment; perhaps cancelling nuclear plants half a century ago is part of why we have "rising power costs" today? We may never know~

[-] corbin@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's curious how, in terms of utilitarianism, the 2014 post has people doing arithmetic to estimate QALYs but the 2018 post is more of a handwave where Scoot repeats the 2014 numbers verbatim. Advocates of decriminalization and legalization have long argued that the QALYs saved by releasing people from prison and no longer sentencing them (easily 20+ QALYs/person) and not arresting people for possession in the first place (0.5 QALYs/person-arrest) are significant to society at large, even if there were quantifiable health risks.

TBH I think that Scoot got a bit of a tough surprise when data actually came in on cannabis usage; it's now accepted cannabis lore that cannabis can cause onset of e.g. schizophrenia, at a rate of something like 1 in 2000 users, but the numbers on causing cancer never materialized. Meanwhile the case studies treating e.g. epilepsy have multiplied to the point where, again, it's now accepted lore that some epileptics find relief by using products made from high-CBD strains.

Choice sneer from the second post, from somebody with an extremely-relevant Moray avatar:

Yeah but you know what would achieve better results? Criminalizing driving.

Edit: grammar and also the extremely-relevant link. Pass the Moray, please~

[-] corbin@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

Blast from the past: I realized that I didn't have the exact link detailing why nickpsecurity was banned from Lobsters, but now I do. You'll have to click the little [+] to see his comments. He's still active on HN and Reddit; he's gone full MAGA, which is ~~100% predictable~~ a surprising turn for somebody who constantly preaches born-again Christian ~~bigotry~~ peace and love. I really do wish that Lobsters did the whole turn-you-into-a-tree thing (sure, crucifixion, or maybe Peneus-style or Pequenino-style) for banned users rather than forcing folks to dig through archives.

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Okay, previously, on Awful, we established that vibecoding can't produce working compilers. Let's try some other side projects of mine. I have important stuff to work on and a deadline, so I'm not matching these projects with my own submissions. Instead, I've laid out a psuedo-objective rubric and I'm going to say that par is 10/10 points.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago

There are licenses that effectively repel corporate use without a non-commercial clause; I looked at them on Open Source SE a while ago, including a fun bit of dentistry previously, on Lobsters. GPLv3 and AGPLv3 are examples in common usage. This might help to illuminate our boy's actual problem: he can't use Free Software without complying with the onerous requirement of ensuring the Four Freedoms by not plagiarizing, and he really wants to plagiarize.

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[-] corbin@awful.systems 2 points 5 days ago

This response video has put Siliconversations onto my radar. They were only mentioned briefly as one of the multiple people claiming that AGI is possible, and this response was so bad that it caused me to go digging for a few minutes into their backers.

Control AI, stylized as "CONTROL/AI" or "control", is now interesting as well. They appear to have funded at least some of these videos, was definitely credited in one Hank Green video, and got a footbath from Siliconversations in the linked video. We also already know some stuff about Future of Life Institute, who funded Siliconversations' prior doomer video and is run by ethnonationalist Max Tegmark. @cinnaverses@awful.systems might know more about how the money is moving.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 40 points 1 month ago

Okay guys, I rolled my character. His name is Traveliezer Interdimensky and he has 18 INT (19 on skill checks, see my sheet.) He's a breeding stud who can handle twenty women at once despite having only 10 STR and CON. I was thinking that we'd start with Interdimensky trapped in Hell where he's forced to breed with all these beautiful women and get them pregnant, and the rest of the party is like outside or whatever, they don't have to go rescue me, I mean rescue him. Anyway I wanted to numerically quantify how much Hell wants me, I mean him, to stay and breed all these beautiful women, because that's something they'd totally do.

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I’m tired of hearing about vibecoding on Lobsters, so I’ve written up three of my side tasks for coding agents. Talk is cheap; show us the code.

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Happy Holiday and merry winter solstice! I'm sharing a Nix flake that I've been slowly growing in my homelab for the past few months. It incorporates this systemd feature, switches from CppNix to Lix, and disables a handful of packages. That PR inspired me, and I'm releasing this in turn to inspire you. Paying it forward and all that.

Should you use this? As-is, probably not. It will rebuild systemd at a minimum and you probably don't have enough RAM for that; building from this flake crashed my development laptop and I had to build it on a workstation instead. Also, if you have good taste in packages then this will be a no-op aside from systemd and Lix, and you can do both of those on your own.

Isn't this merely virtue-signalling? I think that the original systemd PR was definitely signalling, since it's unlikely to ever get deployed on the systems of our friends. However, I really do sleep better at night knowing that it's unlikely that jart or suckless have any code running on my machines.

Why not make a proper repository and organization? Mostly the possibility that GitHub might actually take down a repository named nixpkgs-antifa. If there's any interest then I could set up a Codeberg repo. However, up to this point, I've only used it internally and my homelab has its own internal git service.

Mods: You've indicated that you don't like it when people write code to approach our social problems. That's fine; I'm not publishing an application or service and certainly not starting a social movement, just sharing some of my internal code.

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Did catgirl Riley cheat at a videogame, or is she just that good? Detective Karl Jobst is on the case. Are the critics from platform One True King (OTK), like Asmongold and Tectone, correct in their analysis of Riley's gameplay? Or are they just haters who can't stand how good she is? Bonus appearance from Tommy Tallarico.

Content warning: Quite a bit of transmisogyny. Asmongold and Tectone are both transphobes who say multiple slurs and constantly misgender Riley, and their Twitch chats also are filled with slurs. Jobst does not endorse anything that they say, but he also quotes their videos and screenshots directly.

too long, didn't watch

This video is a takedown of an AI slop channel, "Call of Shame". As hinted, this is something of a ROBLOX_OOF.mp3 essay, where it's not just about the cryptofascists pushing the culture war by attacking a trans person, but about one specific rabbit hole surrounding one person who has made many misleading claims. Just like how ROBLOX_OOF.mp3 permanently hobbled Tallarico's career, it seems that Call of Shame has pivoted twice and turned to evangelizing Christianity instead as a result of this video's release.

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A straightforward dismantling of AI fearmongering videos uploaded by Kyle "Science Thor" Hill, Sci "The Fault in our Research" Show, and Kurz "We're Sorry for Summarizing a Pop-Sci Book" Gesagt over the past few months. The author is a computer professional but their take is fully in line with what we normally post here.

I don't have any choice sneers. The author is too busy hunting for whoever is paying SciShow and Kurzgesagt for these videos. I do appreciate that they repeatedly point out that there is allegedly a lot of evidence of people harming themselves or others because of chatbots. Allegedly.

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A straightforward product review of two AI therapists. Things start bad and quickly get worse. Choice quip:

Oh, so now I'm being gaslit by a frakking Tamagotchi.

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The answer is no. Seth explains why not, using neuroscience and medical knowledge as a starting point. My heart was warmed when Seth asked whether anybody present believed that current generative systems are conscious and nobody in the room clapped.

Perhaps the most interesting takeaway for me was learning that — at least in terms of what we know about neuroscience — the classic thought experiment of the neuron-replacing parasite, which incrementally replaces a brain with some non-brain substrate without interrupting any computations, is biologically infeasible. This doesn't surprise me but I hadn't heard it explained so directly before.

Seth has been quoted previously, on Awful for his critique of the current AI hype. This talk is largely in line with his other public statements.

Note that the final 10min of the video are an investigation of Seth's position by somebody else. This is merely part of presenting before a group of philosophers; they want to critique and ask questions.

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A complete dissection of the history of the David Woodard editing scandal as told by an Oregonian Wikipedian. The video is sectioned into multiple miniature documentaries about various bastards and can be watched piece-by-piece. Too long to watch? Read the link above.

too long, didn't watch, didn't read, summarize anyway

David Woodard is an ethnonationalist white supremacist whose artistic career has led to an intersection with a remarkable slice of cult leaders and serial killers throughout the past half-century. Each featured bastard has some sort of relationship to Woodard, revealing an entire facet of American Nazism which runs in parallel to Christian TREACLES, passed down through psychedelia. occult mysticism, and non-Christian cults of capitalism.

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Cross-posting a good overview of how propaganda and public relations intersect with social media. Thanks @Soatok@pawb.social for writing this up!

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Busy Beaver Gauge (bbgauge.info)

Tired of going to Scott "Other" Aaronson's blog to find out what's currently known about the busy beaver game? I maintain a community website that has summaries for the known numbers in Busy Beaver research, the Busy Beaver Gauge.

I started this site last year because I was worried that Other Scott was excluding some research and not doing a great job of sharing links and history. For example, when it comes to Turing machines implementing the Goldbach conjecture, Other Scott gives O'Rear's 2016 result but not the other two confirmed improvements in the same year, nor the recent 2024 work by Leng.

Concretely, here's what I offer that Other Scott doesn't:

  • A clear definition of which problems are useful to study
  • Other languages besides Turing machines: binary lambda calculus and brainfuck
  • A plan for how to expand the Gauge as a living book: more problems, more languages and machines
  • The content itself is available on GitHub for contributions and reuse under CC-BY-NC-SA
  • All tables are machine-computed when possible to reduce the risk of handwritten typos in (large) numbers
  • Fearless interlinking with community wikis and exporting of knowledge rather than a complexity-zoo-style silo
  • Acknowledgement that e.g. Firoozbakht is part of the mathematical community

I accept PRs, although most folks ping me on IRC (korvo on Libera Chat, try #esolangs) and I'm fairly decent at keeping up on the news once it escapes Discord. Also, you (yes, you!) can probably learn how to write programs that attempt to solve these problems, and I'll credit you if your attempt is short or novel.

[-] corbin@awful.systems 47 points 2 years ago

This is some of the most corporate-brained reasoning I've ever seen. To recap:

  • NYC elects a cop as mayor
  • Cop-mayor decrees that NYC will be great again, because of businesses
  • Cops and other oinkers get extra cash even though they aren't business
  • Commercial real estate is still cratering and cops can't find anybody to stop/frisk/arrest/blame for it
  • Folks over in New Jersey are giggling at the cop-mayor, something must be done
  • NYC invites folks to become small-business owners, landlords, realtors, etc.
  • Cop-mayor doesn't understand how to fund it (whaddaya mean, I can't hire cops to give accounting advice!?)
  • Cop-mayor's CTO (yes, the city has corporate officers) suggests a fancy chatbot instead of hiring people

It's a fucking pattern, ain't it.

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