I am still pissed that my lack of blind obedience was seen as the worst symptoms of my disability as a child
See also: following the rules too precisely.
Funny, because as a little kid who wanted to do everything "the right way" and who got in trouble when I didn't "follow directions," I also got in trouble for helping kids that didn't know/pay attention to given directions. Apparently that's called "bossy" and it's wrong?
Truth is: there is no right choice. It depends entirely on the authority figure around at the moment and whatever preconceived notions they have about you. Hell yeah I have a problem with authority. If they followed rules as consistently as they expect those in their charge to, I'd actually have respect for them.
Yeah, some of my favourite books revolve around the crazy fantastical idea of having people in charge who are intelligent, competent, and have working morals.
Reading is an escape from reality.
This, except I legitimately do have a problem with authority. Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
Except of you explain your reasoning and I see where you're coming from. Motherfucker.
Thats "being convincing" and not "authority" tho no?
The reason could relate to their authority.
I will listen to the authority of my mechanic, he is chill and knows more about cars than me. I refuse to engage him on politics or economics, I have melted my brain on Smith and Marx I do not have the patience to deal with his 3rd grade economic trite. Free the markets kill the corporations make everything a co-op or individually ran.
Bakunin's famous authority of the bootmaker where he differentiates between demanded coercion and earned deference.
One of my favorite GIFs:
Telling me to do something i was already gonna do though, that just makes it a million times harder.
you have a problem with authority
(that's good)
(that’s good)
Until it gets in the way of your money earning activities
Oh no not good for them. Good for the cause tho
Get a job with no hierarchies, they're out there!
Show me a paid job that you think doesn't feature hierarchy and I'll point out it's hierarchical aspects that you've yet to notice.
Unpaid jobs, like parenting or being a good friend, plenty of those are actually hierarchy-free.
Authority is given and therefore earned. If you're in a position of authority but don't continuously earn it, I will not respect you or your decisions.
Autism gang 😎😎😎
That's an autism thing too?!? Man y'all get all the relatable common sense traits, so jealous
One of the big things I personally notice in myself and other autistic people is this mentality. We seem to mostly miss the "programming" that makes others subconsciously conform to social rules.
My personal hypothesis is that without that programming we get the opportunity to actually think about the rules that we are forced to abide by, because we have to actively learn them instead of subconsciously feeling them. And that leads to the questions like "why can only one gender wear X, there's no logical reason for that", "why can't I wear shorts to work when it's warm outside, that makes no sense", "why should I respect the elders when they treat me like that", etc. It's not like neurotypical people cannot question these things, but I feel like we're just coming from a different position. I constantly feel like these kinds of social "rules* are forced upon me and not based on any logic, thus I remain skeptical of them. But I've also learned that while they're nonsensical, it's often way easier to pretend to abide by them and go with the flow. Constantly fighting every little nonsensical rule will not make you popular, so you got to pick your battles
i'll note that here in sweden (at least where i live) we're pretty good at tolerating people who don't conform, and lo and behold my autism almost completely fucking disappears so long as i'm not in a formal setting.
It really shows how it's not necessarily an inherent disability, and i'd go so far as to say that the obvious negative symptoms of autism aren't actually autistic, they're symptoms of suffering.
Ya know, if you have all of the relatable common sense traits that autistic people have you might be....
I hate when they just repeat/reexplain the instructions and treat me like an idiot.
I didn't ask "how" I asked "why".
I understand how in the day to day people rely on shortcuts to understand people. But even when I explicitly ask to interpret the literal words I am saying they still jump around the question.
It gives me the urge to write the question down and give it to them like an essay question, maybe then they'll see how much of a no sequitur their response is.
I used to be like that but often once you do it you understand why much easier than by having it explained. If not you can still ask. I made things more difficult for myself by thinking I can or have to control my entire life.
this reeks of privilage.
Why?
"Oh, in social structures when someone tries to make me do something, I just refuse. I can afford to tank whatever retribution they might have against me, because I am always in a secure state of life where my needs will be met"
"Refusing to do dumb shit reeks of privilege because there are people who can't afford to refuse to do dumb shit" is a take right along with "curing cancer is unfair to people who already died of cancer".
My guy, there are people who have jobs they HAVE TO keep, relations that they HAVE TO maintain, otherwise they find themselves out on the fucking street. That’s what I’m talking about. Not everyone has their life in a state where they can just flat out say “FUCK YOU” to whoever they want. Being able to say “FUCK YOU” to whoever they want is a privilage.
It's telling that you just assume none of us have ever willingly ended up on the street over our aherence to personal conviction. That we've only ever been the only person we can be in select positions of privledge and never suffered severe consequences for it.
It's the assumption made by the kind of cowards who then chastise me as being irresponsible for having the courage to repeatedly face down those exact consequences.
"YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!! I NEEDED THE MONEY!! THAT'S WHY I HAD TO WORK AS A GUARD AT THE CONCENTRATION CAMP!! MY FAMILY WOULD HAVE STARVED LIKE THE PRISONERS!! NOOOO!!"
same shit, different degree. Having morals and principles means facing consequences and sometimes people don't want to face those consequences, so they do away with their morals. They had to do it, don't you see?
I had to make something stupid
VS
I violated the Geneva convention
Wow, it's the same picture
I guess getting an answer to a question of "why" is privileged. Thanks.
... the privilage is not getting to ask why, it's "fuck you and the consequences" and refusal.
Someone tells me to do something or they will punish me without explanation does seem rather privileged. If an explanation can't be produced then who's privilege trumps who's?
My guy, there are people who have jobs they HAVE TO keep, relations that they HAVE TO maintain, otherwise they find themselves out on the fucking street. That's what I'm talking about. Not everyone has their life in a state where they can just flat out say "FUCK YOU" to whoever they want. Being able to say "FUCK YOU" to whoever they want is a privilage.
First off little lady, you lost the plot. Second, you are arguing in favor of never questioning an authority. I was raised punk rock. We question. If the answer sucks thats on you not me. Fuck you is an appropriate answer to anyone who can't explain why they are hurting you.
I am not miss reading social cues, I don't have an issue with authority, I am fully away how the world works. When I ask why are my fellow citizens getting snagged off the street and not even allowed to show paperwork? Should we go ahead and throw due process out cause someone might think I'm privileged?
no one has to do anything, there are just consequences
"Oh, in social structures when someone tries to make me do something, I just refuse. I can't keep a job for more than a month. I get by for now by (fill in the blank) but I'm never more than one step away from becoming actually homeless and the background stress from that makes everyone around me think I'm bipolar. Wish I weren't like this."
(fill in the blank) isn't necessarily a euphemism: i've seen more than a couple different answers to that. and of course "one step away from homelessness" does become zero, but also zero becomes one. idk what to say if you can't believe that there are people who have this symptom so bad that they "flunk out" in some way, except to encourage you to venture out of your social circles to the degree you're comfortable with it.
Bienvenu en France, baiseur de mère!
What gets me are product warning labels that say "Do not do " but then do not say why. Is it because the product will break, or because it will cause the formation of a black hole, and the destruction of reality as we know it? Or maybe it just plain doesn't work. Who knows, they're not telling you. Tell me why instead of assuming that the reason is obvious to everyone. "Do not submerge in water" makes sense to most people on the side of a hair-dryer, but not everyone understands why electricity and liquids generally don't mix well. We need education, not blind obedience to rules which may or may not be completely arbitrary.
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