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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago

"Trump himself, as well as top Republicans, will say the goal is to stop Mamdani... and you'll be wasting your vote on Sliwa. So I feel good about that," Cuomo said in a leaked recording.

Liberals are in bed with MAGA. Just different kool-aid flavors.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Liberals are in bed with MAGA

What an absurd and reductive take, have you considered including a drop of nuance with your hyperbole?

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Are you shilling for corporations, the rich, and in bed with MAGA? No? Then, Stfu, it doesn't apply to you.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago
[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago

Is it your impression that Cuomo is a liberal?

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

depends on your definition of liberal

[-] chocosoldier 3 points 1 day ago

yes, and i'm tired of pretending the word doesn't mean "capitalist pig".

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 18 hours ago

Yes that's about what I thought you thought it meant lol

At a certain point in a tribal structure and framework, a word just gets reframed to mean "enemy" and becomes more or less useless for having any kind of conversation, because of logic like this.

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 16 hours ago

liberalism is that political philosophy which combines capitalist economics with democratic election based governance. and yes, capitalists are the enemy, good job!

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Doesn't sound like Cuomo is very in favor of democratic election based governance, that's kind of literally 100% of the point of why he's even in the news still

And yes, lumping anyone who is "enemy" into the same category and using catchy labels for them and using labels for one "enemy" camp to refer to people who are in a totally different camp, because what's the difference the important thing is we found an enemy, is exactly the thinking I am calling out. Good job providing a pretty good example of it

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

split whatever hairs you think will help you sleep at night, lib.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago

Wait, why am I a lib now? You know me, you know my viewpoint? Or you just start deciding anyone who disagrees with you in any way, must be a liberal otherwise they wouldn't be disagreeing with you?

It's actually remarkable how well this propaganda framework works. It's actually exactly the same as a lot of the MAGA structure, where they declare media as "biased" or people as "Marxist." It doesn't matter whether it's actually true. It's just a little self-sustaining structure, a reason to dismiss anyone who disagrees with them in any way, and they don't need to think any more about it once that box has been ticked.

I've actually noticed this thought process in a lot of Lemmy people. That little fumble where you decided Cuomo was a liberal might seem like kind of a trivial misstatement or something, but it's actually hugely telling about how your thought processes are working. I would really encourage you to reflect on it.

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

i'm sure you have an argument, i'm just not interested in masturbatory hair splitting and mental gymnastics anymore. but thanks for making assumptions about me, my thought process, and my stances, while lambasting me for doing the same when you've offered no clear position of your own except "lol u dum" dressed up in flowery language.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 14 hours ago

i'm just not interested in masturbatory hair splitting and mental gymnastics anymore

Good to hear! I'd recommend letting go of them, yes. Good job!

[-] Goldholz 1 points 21 hours ago

Depending where you are from it doesnt though. Same as "freedom to..." and "freedom from..." are two completely different aspects. Economic liberal and social liberal are two different ways of thinking

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 16 hours ago

split hairs all you like, liberals are capitalists and capitalism is poison

[-] Goldholz 1 points 14 hours ago

I am not splitting hair. Are equal rights and minority protection capitalist ideas? Is democracy capitalistic? The right to education and religiouse freedom? The freedom to not be exploited at the workplace?

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

rofl you're talking to a middle aged queer and religious minority who has spent their entire adult life watching liberals make it very fucking clear that they don't give a shit about any of those things, they pay lip service then throw us under the bus the moment they're elected. for decades they have declined opportunity after opportunity to codify our rights into legislated law, preferring to leave it as case law and impotently stand by as the courts are captured to the inevitable end of our rights being stripped from us, which is now in progress. stop being so naive.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Yes, that's why a socialist was voted in and cuomo was voted out in the primaries. /s

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Liberals are not socialists. If people vote for a socialist that means they're not voting for a liberal like Cuomo. Actually Mamdani is a "democratic socialist" and some socialists would distinguish that from socialism proper. But his policies are definitely working for the people, which is great to see. Liberals generally work for corporations before the people.

If you search the web for "Mamdani socialist" you find various flavors of right-wingers and evangelicals in full panic about how he'll end the world. If you look at his own website you find he proposes affordable buses, rent and childcare, and taxing corporations. Apocalyptic stuff.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Honestly, the term liberal, socialist, neo-liberal, etc. are such loaded terms and change constantly. They also are defined on who is hating on me at that moment. I don't have a term I call myself, but I like Bernie's ideas 99% of the time.

[-] prole 5 points 20 hours ago

The term socialist definitely hasn't changed recently

[-] Goldholz 4 points 21 hours ago

The european VOLT party for that exact reason has done away with these labels for themselfs and their ideas. One word means something different to so many people, despite the ideas being the things you should vote for and not some lable throwing

[-] itslilith 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Those terms have clear, defined meanings and they only change because Americans have no idea what they're talking about

Bernie is a social democrat, or maybe a democratic socialist, depending on the day

[-] dacreator@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Honestly? They may change constantly for you, which is why you seem confused by them.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Progressive is probably what you are looking for.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago
[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I know, we're agreeing.

For some reason people need to feel like the world is against them. Im convinced they make up 50+% of the hate they claim is against them.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago
[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

You guys are off schedule though, what's up?

[-] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

What a fail. Lol

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

I asked what you're on about, and you think I'm trolling?

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