My cat refuses to leave the house and when he is outside. He just hangs around the house until he can come back in. Honestly he is most comfortable around me or a person.
You can tell the cat has true freedom because he measures in inches.
Last time my cat got out he got the crap beat out of him by a raccoon
Still bolts for the door anytime it opens
I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing at this, but I can't stop picturing it ahaha
That's not even the best part!
My next-door neighbor is a sweet older lady who takes care of the neighborhood's stray cats (paid to have them fixed and vaccinated) and she leaves a bowl of food out for them
Said bowl of food is also frequented by a family of raccoons, so we have several lazy, well-fed raccoons who have been around lazy, well-fed cats for their entire lives. I've seen the two species playing together and eating shoulder-to-shoulder
Long story short, the only way my cat would have gotten into that fight is if he picked it himself, which he 100% would do.
I'd love some pictures of them eating side by side lol
It's fine to laugh, the wounds have healed and the hole he ripped in the window screen has been patched XD
Each time you've played with him since that incident was a part of his training montage for his revenge match. You think he was running from room to room at top speed in the middle of the night for fun?
Eye of the Tiger intensifies
My little guy spent some time homeless before being dropped off at the SPCA shelter. Was there for a month before I adopted him. Every time I open my door, he stares outside, then looks up at me, rubs himself on my legs, then walks over to his food dish.
I had one with a similar story, he taught the rest of my cats that inside is better, and that’s even been passed on to the newest cats even tho he’s not around anymore. Nobody wants to go outside, even on leash.
My cat was a stray too. She has zero desire to go outside. I was holding her once when I opened the backdoor to let the dog out. She must have thought I was taking her outside and flipped out. Scratched the crap out of my neck as she climb over top of me and bolted into the other room.
Almost like it's in their nature to explore and naturally have territories of up to 10 acres and so are not best suited to being strictly indoor pets
Cats are an invasive species and kill over 15 billion birds and small mammals per year. There's nothing 'natural' about that.
Your cats freedom means the ecological destruction of your surroundings. Choose wisely.
Cats are an invasive species and kill over 15 billion birds and small mammals per year
Places exist outside of the USA, just fyi.
The 15 billion kills is a global statistic, just fyi.
This is why I have a harness and one of those extending leashes. I pretty much let him go where he wants on hour-long walks; the leash is just to keep him from genociding the local fauna or running into traffic. It also reduces his urge to sprint outside the moment a door opens.
Funny trying to use a harness with my monster leads to him really trying to get out of the door.
Then I guess your walks aren't long and satisfying enough for your cat.
You can tell when it's time to end the walk. They start laying down and don't protest when you pick them up to carry them back to the car.
'Invasive'
It's been five hundred years. Pretty sure this is a pointless distinction by now
That's not how invasive species work. 500 years is nothing on the evolutionary time scale.
Also, cats have been widespread for about 2000 years in the old world, not 500.
it doesn't matter how long they've been somewhere. if they were brought by humans, they're invasive
Our cat is afraid of the corridor
The first time one of our cats got out, she got as far as hiding under the porch until we could coax her back inside.
The next time she didn't even make it outside. She got into the (unheated) garage and just spent the night there until we found her.
That second night it was -11F (apparently -24C). I don't blame her for not wanting to go further but it's still annoying that she chose being out there over all the delicious bribery we left around the house to tempt her back in! (She was fine when we found her and has no apparent lasting issues from the experience, though she hasn't tried to escape since.)
Tell that to my cat. Convincing her that she's freely allowed to explore the house outside of my bedroom let alone the outside world would give her a heart attack.
She is the most cuddly active playful cat I've ever owned.
As long as the bedroom door is shut and everything is PERFECTLY quiet.
"I hate birds and small mammals and I want my little prince to be able to murder as much indigenous wildlife as he wants because otherwise I'll have to provide adequate stimulation like for a fucking dog or something else that requires responsibility"
Thank you. I knew my comment would piss off the smug holier-than-thou types that don't even realise there exists a world outside of North America 😊
Wild birds and mammals don't get pet food and warm houses to sleep in. You have elevated a predator above the natural order.
When his range is over hunted, your cat should starve or leave. However now he won't. He'll go home,get food and go back out to murder everything he can find. Imagine every single other cat owner around you giving their pets the same competitive advantage and you should be able to see the problem even in areas where cats are "native".
Next time I'm walking my dog's I'm going to let them shit in your garden seeing as you have no problem with your cats shitting in mine. Maybe I'll let them hunt your cat too. I don't want my precious babies being bored.
Except I won't. Because I'm responsible and empathetic. You're being incredibly selfish.
Pet cats hunt a tiny fraction of what feral cats (and other animals that rely on hunting) do, precisely because they don't need to hunt to survive. Even then, statistically the vast majority of animals they do manage to hunt are injured/ill/incompetive and unlikely to make it to the next breeding system even if they weren't hunted, which can actually be beneficial to local ecosystems and animal populations as those animals won't take up resources from members of the species that are likely to make it to breed.
This is backed by evidence of pet cats ownership increasing while simultaneously the populations of their most preyed upon species are actually increasing too.
The only real danger cats pose to local ecosystems is feral cats, which is (one of) the reason I'm an active part of a local trap, neuter, release program where I've helped neuter dozens of cats, so I've done way more to help the issue than I would be depriving my cat of going outside, and likely more than you've done.
Plus windows kill as many birds as cats, both domestic and feral do, but I'm willing to bet you live in a building that has windows right? For the sake of your own quality of life, so are you not being as selfish as you accuse me of being???
But I'm guessing by your, Franky borderline psychotic response, that you will barely even read anything I've said, disregard it entirely and double down on being houlier-than-thou and threatening a random person on the internet. Because that's how these things always gom
I'm glad you're aware of the issue and I think it's great that you're involved in spay and release programs.
However literally everything else you wrote is at odds with research that has been conducted. The British Ecological Society (one of the "non-american" countries you referenced above) has a great article on the horrific impact domestic cats have. I suggest you read it:
https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pan3.10073
To address some other problematic statements:
The only real danger cats pose to local ecosystems is feral cats
Every time you let your pet cat outside, there's no guarantee it comes back. Feral cats aren't a self sustaining ecosystem of felines that spring from the earth.
Aside from that, you're also impacting other humans. My neighbour's cat shits in my garden every night, cat shit carries pathogens like toxoplasmosis that can cause pregnant women to miscarry and can literally make children go blind. The only reason I don't sit out waiting with a pellet gun like I would for other pests is because I like the mangy bugger.
My younger sister was also attacked as a child while she was playing outside in our back garden by one of the neighbours cats. She still has the scar on her lip to prove it.
Do you not give a shit about what your cat might be doing when you're not being responsible for it? Imagine if I just let my dogs roam around the streets unsupervised.
I'm guessing by your, Franky borderline psychotic response,
I think you should really check yourself here. It's too easy to make fun of crazy cat people for this to descend into petty name calling.
The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.
In places like the UK cats have been here for literally thousands of years and used to be far more independent and reliant on hunting, so any damage they would have done to our ecosystem would have been done a thousand years ago.
They mostly are self sustaining, which is why TNR is so important.
And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.
And I really want you to take a moment to appreciate you just come straight from arguing that outdoor cats are bad because they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself. Once again, you're a hypocrite and you don't actually care about these animals you're simply looking for an excuse to hate other people and feel morally superior to them.
Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldn't take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesn't give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think I'm crazy.
Yes I do, I worry about him getting injured or doing something stupid, but it's the same with kids, but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.
Nah I'm good. I'm not the one making threats of violence over the internet. Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so it's pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.
The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.
Right.... Well when you get a chance to actually read the article rather than pretend you did, let me know...
And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.
And these don't get canned food when prey animals have been over hunted. So they'll starve and their population will be balanced against their prey. I'm starting to think I gave you too much credit saying you understood this issue...
they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself
I'm interested in protecting biodiversity, sometimes that involves killing.... Or you know... simply supervising your pets when they're outside. But clearly you don't have the capacity for responsibility.
Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldn't take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesn't give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think I'm crazy.
You're comparing someone who tried and failed to control their animal. Which is bad. To yourself, who refuses to control their animal, which is easily 100x worse.
but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.
How fulfilling do you think the lives of all the birds precious Mittens has killed have been?
I'm not the one making threats of violence over the internet.
You're the one actually committing violence by releasing a violent predator unsupervised. How do you know it hasn't attacked a child?
Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so it's pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.
I know you're very worked up right now. But take a breathe and try to calm down.
I did read it, hence why I pointed out it's not actually a study on the effect of cats in the UK. But on conservation law and they extrapolate data from other countries.
Maybe you should read it since it's pretty clear you just googled the data you wanted to find and copied the first link on Google.
Cool, they still shit in your garden if they don't get canned food. Which was the point you were whining about in your last comment.
If you're so interested in protecting biodiversity, why do you (presumably) live in a house with windows? As many places will tell you Windows kill massive amounts of birds each year, comparable to that of cats. But again, as I've said before but you keep not addressing (because you know it shows you're a hypocrite) you don't actually give a shit about any of this, you're just looking for something to argue about and be smug about how morally superior you are, as this entire conversation chain and your smarmy attitude demonstrates.
And yes, like I mentioned previously some amount of hunting can actually be beneficial to animal populations as food and other resources aren't being used up by unfit or unhealy members of the species that won't make it to the next breeding season regardless.
And there you go dodging again because I've shown how foolish your logic is when applied to something you like. Even if we say the magnitude is worse, they are still comparable. Either you are logically consistent and you think people shouldn't take their dogs on walks, or you're a hypocrite just trying to argue with strangers on the internet to feel better about yourself.
Lol, lmao even. Letting my cat outside is "committing an act of violence"? Do you not read this shite as you're writing it and hear how utterly silly you sound? This is peak old bloke with too much time on his hand whining on the local Facebook group type energy.
Lol proper 14 year Redditor trying to act smug to rage bait shit. Honestly a little impressive how youre able to combine these two wildly different kinds of pathetic.
But hey, sure if it makes you feel better, then I'm actually super mad! You really got undr my skin and pissed me off 😠😠😠
Except they are genociding local bird populations...
Even if that was true, and it's not. Windows kill as many birds as cats do. Do you like in a house without windows? No? Well then you're genociding local bird populations too.
Last time our cat got out that little fucker climbed a tree and wanted to come down but was to afraid of hight >=<
men with a loving family and 6 figure salary, as soon as they see a cave hole of 0.00025 femtometres called the Devil's Arse:
This one is a good watch, it's not the classic caving accident you usually hear. No one died, but they come close
Nothing of value is in those caves
cant beat freedom. maybe his balls are out there just still waiting to be picked up
Just like my dad
My cat was feral but didn't take long and she decided there's no reason to ever go outside ever again. Well, she will take a few steps outside to roll in the dirt but after a bit of that its straight back inside.
Little ear tipped cat here. She likes window watching, but going back outside? Fuck that she says. Outside stole part of her ear! Inside has blankets and snacks and a human that is a softy and does whatever our kitten heart desires!
Igl, Dr ght now it's pre-coffee AM and I first thought the picture was of a roast chicken (complete with goose neck) running to the right.
My cats sit by the glass storm door and watch me go through it. Not a whisker twitch to move. They are inside only and have no real desire to go out. All my cats have been like that. They are spoiled rotten and know it. Not willing to give up a good thing.
Neth'sin the Eternal Tormenter is afraid of outside, loud wind, rain, and guest. She's the only cat I had that hates the outdoors.
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