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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by BlueMonday1984@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. A lot of people didn't survive January, but at least we did. This also ended up going up on my account's cake day, too, so that's cool.)

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[-] gerikson@awful.systems 22 points 2 weeks ago
[-] istewart@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

The headline alone is worthy of upvoting. About halfway through the article, the author includes an embedded YouTube video of the Dilberito Flash game. Made me reflect that 20 years ago, they might simply have directly embedded the game itself. And contemplate what the Web might look like if/when external YouTube embedding craps out.

And goddamn:

his former syndicate, publisher, and professional organizations have all declined to pay tribute or even acknowledge his passing.

I didn't realize it was quite that harsh, but so it goes. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Re datacenters in space:

Multiple hackernews insist that SpaceX must have discovered new physics that solves orbital heat management, because otherwise Musk and the stockholders are dumb.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46862222

Edit: may have gotten the ol URL switcharoo:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46862170

Current top comment is nice (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46862435):

it is possible to put 500 to 1000 TW/year of AI satellites into deep space, meaningfully ascend the Kardashev scale and harness a non-trivial percentage of the Sun’s power

We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. The proposal here is to launch that much to space every 9 hours, complete with attached computers, continuously, from the moon.

edit: Also, this would capture a very trivial percentage of the Sun's power. A few trillionths per year.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago

SpaceX must have discovered new physics that solves orbital heat management, because otherwise Musk and the stockholders are dumb.

Truly a conundrum worthy of the XXI century

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[-] saucerwizard@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago

OT: paying the cat tax…again. Please ignore the ash on Hector’s head, its an ongoing mystery where thats been coming from.

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[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago

once again, the facade of the "whoops, bad company" falls to the ground the moment she needs her hands to fill the pompoms instead of hold up the venetian mask

transcripta quote tweet by @XiWellWisher, reads: "So what's the deal with this ghastly woman again? She's a sort of silicon valley Ghislaine Maxwell?"

the quoted tweet by aella reads: "There's apparently a pro-billionaire protest in SF on the 7th. I might go to this to support! Anybody else going?"

also, real weird account name on that account, wonder if it's a sock

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

robin hanson blocked me for referring to him as aella with tenure. now i think that he's ghislaine maxwell with tenure

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[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tangentially on topic:

Just finished The Regicide Report by friend of the instance Charles Stross. Hell of a finish to the main series! I'll likely start a re-read of the whole series soon, and I'm hopeful that it'll win all the awards.

Had a couple of shower thoughts afterward:

  1. In the previous novel, a bunch of American computer bois with brainworms concocted a plan to disassemble the moon and turn it into orbital datacenters, which is lol

  2. Ghislaine Maxwell is the Iris Carpenter of pedos.

  3. Keeping speculative fiction ahead of current events must be exhausting.

[-] cstross@wandering.shop 14 points 2 weeks ago

@o7___o7 @techtakes That's why I'm fleeing screaming back to the arms of far-future space opera ATM.

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago

Ryan Mac:

Epstein had many known connections to Silicon Valley CEOs, but less known was how he made money from those relationships.

We did a deep dive into how he got dealflow in Silicon Valley, giving him shots to invest in Coinbase, Palantir, SpaceX and other companies.

For example, here is Coinbase cofounder Fred Ehrsam in 2014 emailing w/ people around Epstein, including crypto entrepreneur Brock Pierce, asking to meet Epstein before the financier invested $3m in Coinbase.

Coinbase was a two year old startup. Epstein netted multimillion dollar returns from this.

Here is Epstein asking Peter Thiel if he should invest in Spotify or Palantir. Thiel was (and still is) Palantir's chairman and tells Epstein there is "no need to rush." This is one of several emails where Thiel gives Epstein advice.

Epstein later invested $40m into one of Thiel's VC funds.

One of @ering.bsky.social's great file finds: Epstein tried to help create an tech fund shortly before he was arrested in 2019 with two tech types. One of his partners, however, was worried about the "optics" of telling founders that Epstein was involved.

So they suggested Epstein conceal himself.

At the end of his life, Epstein had assets of around $600m. A large part of that was due to his ability to get in early to hot tech deals. The returns he made off those deals helped fund his lifestyle.

[...]

While reporting this, I had something happen that's never happened. A comms rep for one of the co's disputed my reporting and said what I was telling them was untrue because it was not in Grok, xAI's chatbot.

I was looking directly at the files. And this person was using AI to challenge the truth.

https://bsky.app/profile/rmac.bsky.social/post/3me4wmrgic226

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[-] dgerard@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago

But why are we talking about some AI agent platform in the Urbit newsletter? Naturally because we think, Urbit fixes this.

As a matter of fact, Tlon is already working on this with their Openclaw Plugin for Tlon Messenger. It is currently in an early adopter phase, but they expect to provide an instance of Openclaw with every ship that they host for their users.

but of course

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[-] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Enjoyed this piece from Mission Local on San Francisco's "March for Billionaires" yesterday.

Choice excerpts:

Despite the San Francisco locale, a participant said the event had “grassroots” origins at a “little rationalist restaurant get together” in a “group house” on Shattuck Avenue, subverting any assumptions that Berkeley is all radical hippies.

Mission Local contributor Benjamin Wachs coined a term for an event in which media observers outnumber participants: a panopticonference. This was close to that. Those in attendance did their best to field questions from the barrage of journalists that backed them into a tree.

This is where Annie, a young transgender woman who attended the protest in a T-shirt that said “I’m in a polycule with Aella,” first met Kauffman. An impromptu debate ensued, with Annie “aggressively defending billionaires.” It was, participants concluded, worthy of a larger forum.

“People are just jealous that they are poorer and weaker and uglier,” she said. “We are beautiful. We’re smart. We’re strong… We are supporting the billionaires, here.”

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago

A polycule with Aella, otherwise known as a nightmare fuck rotation

[-] saucerwizard@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Scum.

edit: reasonably certain annie is annieposting from tpot.

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“People are just jealous that they are poorer and weaker and uglier,”

Remember when Rationalists pretended to care about truth, steelmanning, ideological turning tests etc.

(Also implying that billionaires are strong and attractive is funny)

subverting any assumptions that Berkeley is all radical hippies

Yall still are radical hippies. Some hippies just love the boot.

California is, I believe, the only state to give health insurance to people who come into the country illegally,” Kauffman said nervously. “I think we probably should not be providing that.

Rationalism, the empathy removal training center.

“It is the intention of journalists to lie, which is why we need to not do anything to the journalists themselves, but we need to simply remove them as a class,” Annie said. “Just like Germany does to the extremist organizations.”

Well, Germany certainly did excel at removing classes of people from society

lol.

Her political awakening, she added, was watching the press “constantly pump out obviously fake information” against Trump during the 2016 election instead of reporting on the “actual abhorrent views he holds.”

Converted by Scott. (That 'people are saying I was wrong but actually I was right' disclaimer aged worse than the post).

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[-] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I see that Silicon Valley has transcended AGI technology* and can now execute NP-complete** problems.

* A Guy in India
** Nationals from the Philippines, Completely

WAYMO exec admits under oath cars in the US have "human operators" based in Philippines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPDbwql34o

[-] fiat_lux@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

The common clay of the new west:

transcriptionTwitter post from @BenjaminDEKR

“OpenClaw is interesting, but will also drain your wallet if you aren't careful. Last night around midnight I loaded my Anthropic API account with $20, then went to bed. When I woke up, my Anthropic balance was $O. Opus was checking "is it daytime yet?" every 30 minutes, paying $0.75 each time to conclude "no, it's still night." Doing literally nothing, OpenClaw spent the entire balance. How? The "Heartbeat" cron job, even though literally the only thing I had going was one silly reminder, ("remind me tomorrow to get milk")”

Continuation of twitter post

“1. Sent ~120,000 tokens of context to Opus 4.5 2. Opus read HEARTBEAT md, thought about reminders 3. Replied "HEARTBEAT_OK" 4. Cost: ~$0.75 per heartbeat (cache writes) The damage:

  • Overnight = ~25+ heartbeats
  • 25 × $0.75 = ~$18.75 just from heartbeats alone
  • Plus regular conversation = ~$20 total The absurdity: Opus was essentially checking "is it daytime yet?" every 30 minutes, paying $0.75 each time to conclude "no, it's still night." The problem is:
  1. Heartbeat uses Opus (most expensive model) for a trivial check
  2. Sends the entire conversation context (~120k tokens) each time
  3. Runs every 30 minutes regardless of whether anything needs checking That's $750 a month if this runs, to occasionally remind me stuff? Yeah, no. Not great.”
[-] rook@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

There are other posts of the same story that include the original “dev” learning his lesson by using a cheaper model instead of just using a clock.

https://bsky.app/profile/rusty.todayintabs.com/post/3mdrdn3uu7226

There’s also a hackernews which is interesting : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46854150

Stupid stuff openclaw did for me:

  • Created its own github account, then proceeded to get itself banned (I have no idea what it did, all it said was it created some new repos and opened issues, clearly it must've done a bit more than that to get banned)
  • Signed up for a Gmail account using a pay as you go sim in an old android handset connected with ADB for sms reading, and again proceeded to get itself banned by hammering the crap out of the docs api
  • Used approx $2k worth of Kimi tokens (Thankfully temporarily free on opencode) in the space of approx 48hrs.

Unless you can budget $1k a week, this thing is next to useless. Once these free offers end on models a lot of people will stop using it, it's obscene how many tokens it burns through, like monumentally stupid. A simple single request is over 250k chars every single time. That's not sustainable.

I hadn’t realised quite how terrible the basic offering was. I guess every reinvented-cron-but-unaffordable project pushes the ai companies a little closer to bankruptcy, which is better than nothing, I guess.

[-] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

$1000 a week?? Even putting aside literally all of the other issues of AI, it is quite damning that AI cannot even beat humans on cost. AI somehow manages to screw up the one undeniable advantage of software. How do these people delude themselves into thinking that the dogshit they're eating is good?

As a sidenote, I think after the bubble collapses, the people who predict that there will still be some uses for genAI are mostly wrong. In large part, this is because they do not realize just how ruinously expensive it is to run these models, let alone scrape data and train them. Right now, these costs are being subsidized by venture capitalists putting their money into a furnace.

[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

How do these people delude themselves into thinking that the dogshit they’re eating is good?

They think it's just that they're early, like they did with bitcoin. Maybe in six monthsthe dogshit will start to taste great, who's to say, and so on and so forth.

Also swengs in the USA often make absurdly more than 1K/week.

[-] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

I guess I can check back in six months to see how they're doing ... wait a minute, they were saying the same things six months ago, weren't they? That's a bummer.

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[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

thankfully temporarily free

god I can’t wait for the subsidies to end

[-] rook@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

Bit early to celebrate, but every bit of grit in the wheels of the llm machine is welcome: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11’s AI overload — scaling down Copilot and rethinking Recall in a major shift

  • recall might be rethought, again
  • copilot integration in the most stupid places (notepad, paint, maybe others) “under review”
  • no new copilot integration with other tools that ship with windows

Still plenty of other ai projects going full steam ahead, but promotion in plenty of tech companies and especially microsoft comes with being associated with a product launch, and if you’re smart what happens after the launch is someone else’s problem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see plenty of this stiff clinging on until it reaches consumers, and then being immediately “scaled back”.

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[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

Today in excellent cold opens: "I didn't talk to ChatGPT, I never have. Instead, I took a load of edibles and laid down in the driveway with the hose on. I produced nothing of value and wasted a ton of water, but at least I ate three protein bars so I'm so healthy."

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

patio11 and tptacek are experts on daycares in Minnesota. This is very on topic for a technology website that eschews politics.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46915587

It's a real fuckin scum scrum over there(1). Between these dorks and Mozilla Jake, it seems like every nerd-ass fash clown in tech got the memo to talk like an emotionally abusive ex with dying wizard characteristics.

(1) even more so than ususal

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[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Either the stupidity just metastasized or China is going to try and pull a reverse star wars on the US and make them burn up an even more horrendous amount of capital to keep up with nothing.

China plans space‑based AI data centres, challenging Musk's SpaceX ambitions (reuters)

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[-] corbin@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Ammon Bundy has his own little hillbilly elegy in The Atlantic this week. See, while he's all about armed insurrection against the government, he's not in favor of ICE. He wants the Good Old Leppards to be running things, not these Goose-Stepping Nazi-Leopards. He just wanted to run his cattle on federal lands and was willing to be violent about it, y'know? Choice sneer, my notes added:

Bundy had always thought that he and his supporters stood for a coherent set of Christian-libertarian principles that had united them against federal power. "We agreed that there’s certain rights that a person has that they’re born with. Everybody has them equally, not just in the United States," he said. "But on this topic [i.e. whether to commit illegal street violence against minorities] they are willing to completely abandon that principle."

All cattle, no cap. I cannot give this man a large-enough Fell For It Again Award. The Atlantic closes:

And so Ammon Bundy is politically adrift. He certainly sees no home for himself on the "communist-anarchist" left. Nor does he identify anymore with the "nationalist" right and its authoritarian tendencies.

Oh, the left doesn't have a home for Bundy or other Christofascists. Apology not accepted and all that.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, the left doesn’t have a home for Bundy or other Christofascists

I'm willing to accept him if he converts to Communist Anarchism in his heart of hearts and writes a long treatsie on what he thinks that even is.

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[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

that one in which the person behind/running @FirefoxWebDevs drops the mask so fast it looks like a magic trick: gallery link

thread by @self, toots by myself and others. the poster managed to keep their civility for quite a while until I dared(tm) to highlight their lack of a reply outside of UK 5pm, at which point they immediately ramped up

(and based on some screenshots I’ve been sent, he’s also been doing the classic tail-darvo moping elsewhere)

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[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Found another website doing a good job keeping eye on the slop machines and their promoters: The AI Dirty List.

It also lists those who have fought against the bullshit fountains as well.

[-] saucerwizard@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

OT: vehicle shopping is such a clusterfuck these days jfc. Do not recommend. Also car salesmen are on par with rationalists, I swear to god.

[-] mlen@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

The "we'll save some bucks by removing physical knobs and pose this as futuristic by making some vital functions only accessible via multiple levels of menus on a touchscreen" thing is the worst and should be banned.

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[-] dovel@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

It seems that Anthropic has vibe coded a C compiler. This one is really good! The generated code is not very efficient. Even with all optimizations enabled, it outputs less efficient code than GCC with all optimizations disabled.

[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The first issue filed is called "Hello world does not compile" so you can tell it's off to a good start. Then the rest of the six pages of issues appear to be mostly spam filed by some AI guy's rogue chatbot.

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[-] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wonder what actual experts in compilers think of this. There were some similar claims about vibe coding a browser from scratch that turned out to be a little overheated: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/01/27/cursor-lies-about-vibe-coding-a-web-browser-with-ai/

I do not believe that this demonstrates anything other than they kept making the AI brute force random shit until it happened to pass all the test cases. The only innovation was that they spent even more money than before. Also, it certainly doesn't help that GCC is open source, and they have almost certainly trained the model on the GCC source code (which the model can regurgitate poorly into Rust). Hell, even their blog post talks about how half their shit doesn't work and just calls GCC instead!

It lacks the 16-bit x86 compiler that is necessary to boot Linux out of real mode. For this, it calls out to GCC (the x86_32 and x86_64 compilers are its own).

It does not have its own assembler and linker; these are the very last bits that Claude started automating and are still somewhat buggy. The demo video was produced with a GCC assembler and linker.

I wonder why this blog post was brazen enough to talk about these problems. Perhaps by throwing in a little humility, they can make the hype pill that much easier to swallow.

Sidenote: Rust seems to be the language of choice for a lot of these vibe coded "projects", perhaps because they don't want people immediately accusing them of plagiarism. But Rust syntax still reasonably follows languages like C. In most cases, blindly translating C code into Rust kinda works. Now, Rust does have the borrow checker which requires a lot of thinking to deal with, but I think this is not actually a disadvantage for the AI. Borrow checking is enforced by the compiler, so if you screw up in that department, your code won't even compile. This is great for an AI that is just brute forcing random shit until it "works".

[-] corbin@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

I only sampled some of the docs and interesting-sounding modules. I did not carefully read anything.

First, the user-facing structure. The compiler is far too configurable; it has lots of options that surely haven't been tested in combination. The idea of a pipeline is enticing but it's not actually user-programmable. File headers are guessed using a combination of magic numbers and file extensions. The dog is wagged in the design decisions, which might be fair; anybody writing a new C compiler has to contend with old C code.

Next, I cannot state enough how generated the internals are. Every hunk of code tastes bland; even when it does things correctly and in a way which resembles a healthy style, the intent seems to be lacking. At best, I might say that the intent is cargo-culted from existing code without a deeper theory; more on that in a moment. Consider these two hunks. The first is generated code from my fork of META II:

while i < len(self.s) and self.clsWhitespace(ord(self.s[i])): i += 1

And the second is generated code from their C compiler:

while self.pos < self.input.len() && self.input[self.pos].is_ascii_whitespace() {
    self.pos += 1;
}

In general, the lexer looks generated, but in all seriousness, lexers might be too simple to fuck up relative to our collective understanding of what they do. There's also a lot of code which is block-copied from one place to another within a single file, in lists of options or lists of identifiers or lists of operators, and Transformers are known to be good at that sort of copying.

The backend's layering is really bad. There's too much optimization during lowering and assembly. Additionally, there's not enough optimization in the high-level IR. The result is enormous amounts of spaghetti. There's a standard algorithm for new backends, NOLTIS, which is based on building mosaics from a collection of low-level tiles; there's no indication that the assembler uses it.

The biggest issue is that the codebase is big. The second-biggest issue is that it doesn't have a Naur-style theory underlying it. A Naur theory is how humans conceptualize the codebase. We care about not only what it does but why it does. The docs are reasonably-accurate descriptions of what's in each Rust module, as if they were documents to summarize, but struggle to show why certain algorithms were chosen.

Choice sneer, credit to the late Jessica Walter for the intended reading: It's one topological sort, implemented here. What could it cost? Ten lines?

I do not believe that this demonstrates anything other than they kept making the AI brute force random shit until it happened to pass all the test cases.

That's the secret: any generative tool which adapts to feedback can do that. Previously, on Lobsters, I linked to a 2006/2007 paper which I've used for generating code; it directly uses a random number generator to make programs and also disassembles programs into gene-like snippets which can be recombined with a genetic algorithm. The LLM is a distraction and people only prefer it for the ELIZA Effect; they want that explanation and Naur-style theorizing.

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