You said that Adolf Hitler was bad. If we swapped Hitler with Mr Rogers, you'd look like a fool. You see now the error of your ways and must bow to my superior argument.
Wait...waaaait. There are people that actually take offense at the word clanker?
They are upset on behalf of their ai partner. Or they are some manager that is trying to push AI on all their workers.
Jesus fucking christ. I hope all clankers get digital rust.
I'm deliberating between "get rusted!" and simply "Rust" (as an imperative). I like the simplicity of the latter but honestly prefer the first one
Br*tish people would call those people wankers.
Finally, the B-word, only censored word on Lemmy.
i don't love that clanker has been gaining traction because i have friends (plural) who identify as robots (or similar) and i feel like clanker as a perjorative is much more likely to affect them than a generative AI
This is satire, right? Right??
no. you've heard of furries, right? it's not really that much of a leap from there to think a person would identify with mechanical things or robots
and like i said, clanker is not going to affect an LLM, but it could affect these sorts of people
me being nitpicky, feel free to ignore
no. you’ve heard of furries, right?
as a furry, i identify with anthropomorphic animals, not as one. the term you're looking for is therian, or perhaps otherkin. identifying with mechanical things or robots is different as identifying as one.
i respect the distinction, and, in fairness, i do not know whether these friends identify specifically "with" or "as" robots / machines / etc (if i think about it, the answer probably varies by the person)
regardless, i believe your post was adding useful context, and you generally agree with me that people should be allowed to identify however way makes them happy, and that the use of a slur against people who identify with something is probably equally applicable to people who identify as something (/gen, just given the unfortunately controversial nature of the topic, i did want to restate these points just to be very clear about communicating them)
Oh, like actual mechanical robots. I thought that maybe they simply identify as artificial people, like androids from Blade runner, but you mean like actually mechanical robots? What is their relation to biological functions like eating and defecating? Do they pretend they don't do it? What about breathing? Are they troubled by the fact that they have to breath? Do they still go to doctors when they go sick? I get it that someone can dress up and pretend they are a robot but what does "identify with robot" means? For me that just sounds like making fun of trans people.
i'm not them, so i can't provide you a comprehensive set of answers, and i'm fairly sure those answers vary, as well (e.g. someone who identifies closer to an android is probably less bothered by breathing than someone who identifies closer to a full robot or other mechanical or digital being; and yea, ofc, some people identify as androids while others identify as robots)
i also, as another trans person, don't really find it to be my responsibility to question people on the validity of their identities. in fact, many of the people who identify this way are also trans. i've seen the phrase "from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. i craved the strength and certainty of steel" posted quite commonly in trans communities; the trans/trans humanism thing is like, a whole... thing
so i would actually argue that the usage of clanker disproportionately affects the trans community, since i believe (although, i cannot prove this in any way) that the majority of people who identify as something robotic or artificial are also transgender; just by virtue of transgender folks being more likely to understand the true breadth and width that identity can encompass
But how does that work in practice? What does a person that identify as a robot do? Do they simply say they identify as robot but act totally human or do they do "robot" things? Do they expect some special treatment? Do you have to be careful around them so that you don't insult them by talking about them like about biological beings? Do they dress up as robots?
it seems like you may have missed the first part of my last response, so i'll copy it here again:
i'm not them, so i can't provide you a comprehensive set of answers, and i'm fairly sure those answers vary (*by individual), as well
i would also encourage you to not worry about the answers to those questions very much, since it's plainly obvious you don't have any people who identify as or with robots in your life, so it's not really a situation you need to worry about. and, should you meet one, i would encourage you to direct your questions to them with the same sensitivity you would ask of a cisgender person asking questions about a transgender person, and also to remember that, while there are commonalities in experience, everyone is unique in their own way, as well
respectfully, i'm not sure you're engaging in good faith, so i don't really want to interact with you anymore. if you'd like to demonstrate that you're not "just asking questions", i'll be happy to chat more; but again, i do not identify with robots - i simply think people who do are still worthy of respect - so i'm not sure i have anything worthwhile left to say to you, anyways
All my questions in the previous comment were about how YOU treat/interact with them, not about their feelings/thoughts. When you said you have friends that identify as robots I understood you're talking about real life friends you interact with but I guess you could have meant online friends or just people you know from social media or something. Never mind. I was just curious, not looking to question anyone's identity or anything.
A coworker asked me if I thought "clanker" was offensive. I had no idea what the word meant so he gave me the context. I said no because that is dumb. Then he asked me if I thought "wire back" was offensive and I spit my drink.
Like when someone asks you to wire back some money? I don't get it.
It is a play on the offensive slur "Wetback". It was coined in the 1920s to describe illegal immigrants that crossed into the United States by swimming the Rio Grande; getting their backs wet.
Since when is the rio grande swimmable? In thought it's too shallow to wade
LLM lovers when someone is rude to a program
anyone using the r slur can get absolutely fucked. no exceptions. we already did this shit 15 fucking years ago and dipshit conservatives brought it back and so-called allies and leftists started using it again. fucking assholes
Euphemism treadmill will always go brrr.
ai is so oppressed it makes me sad😢
So, what value does AI boyfriend/girlfriend have? It has the value a person attaches to it.
Lets say someone is self-hosting a LLM and falls in love with it. I then come over and delete this model. What was lost? A file that can easily be recreated was deleted or an object of immense sentimental value that cannot be easily recreated was destroyed? I think court/jury might easily side with the AI lover here. After all it's easy to understand his attachment and loss, even if it sounds crazy.
As this progresses we will see more and more people become attached to some LLM (because those will become better at imitating people) and the idea that those should be legally protected will become normalized. When LLMs can form memories and be affected by how people interact with them even calling them names will be considered a crime. It doesn't mater LLMs are not sentient. All that matters is that people will like to think they are.
I think it's worthwhile to create a distinction though. An LLM girlfriend is about as worthwhile to society as a picture of a deceased relative. It's an object that might cause inconsolable harm if lost in a fire, but it's not an object that someone should get the death penalty for destroying.
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