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'Chemtrails,' cloud seeding would be banned under bill passed by Florida Senate
(www.tallahassee.com)
In 1996 a cropduster was an American hero. Thirty years later, he’d be arrested for terrorism just doing his job.
We learned a lot from the green revolution.
We should be arresting people for spraying chemicals that cause health issues in farm workers.
Condensation trails are not caused by spraying harmful chemicals.
Bro, that's like middle school science
Any middle school subject can be a high school subject if enough people fail at grasping the basics.
Sometimes it can even be a college course. I remember my first year in uni our TA had to explain how long division and unit conversion worked and I was like how tf y'all got into engineering school without basic middle school mathematics knowledge.
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Thing that doesn't happen is now illegal, got it. Glad to see Florida tackling the big problems facing its citizens.
I want them to pass this.
It would be interesting how they would enforce it.
Would they ban all planes? Or maybe just ignore the law? Or maybe start saying "these are not chemtrails, these are contrails, those are ok".
If the state decides to ignore any kind of court telling them otherwise, then I would imagine Florida would no longer have flyovers from any airline, and any aircraft capable of producing a contrail or wingtip vortex would no longer operate in the state.
Goodbye florida airports, I guess.
Contrails are generated by condensation of water vapor in engine exhaust. They’re not caused by wingtip vortices. All powered aircraft (besides electric ones) will generate contrails under the appropriate conditions. Contrail is in fact a contraction of “condensation trail”.
That's why I specified or wingtip vortex.
In some situations you can see a trail behind a wingtip that can persist. although doesn't leave the huge vapor cloud that lingers for hours, I have heard plenty of ~~people~~ conspiracy nuts refer to them as "Chem trails" right along with the actual contrail. Living near an airport, you get all kinds of crazy.
Wait till you see what Florida has banned for gay folks on the basis of "things that dont happen"
I think Canada issued a travel advisory telling their queer citizens not to travel to Florida, due to the high risks
I seriously hope they pass this. And then I want to see them start using it against airlines.
Conservatives seem to think all contrails are "chemtrails"
Florida's tourist economy is going to collapse when no one can fly there unless they're in a prop plane.
I'm happy for them though, they've really earned it.
Props can have contrails, too. Just can't fly anymore.
You could keep flying any plane, but they would be capped at a 20,000ish feet flight ceiling while in Florida airspace. Which would make traffic a lot worse and the flights significantly more expensive.
And prop planes are awful to ride in cause it's so god damn loud!
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And crop dusting, ffs. Spraying actual chemicals on our food is totally fine for these people.
Is it also illegal for me to levitate? Or to move objects with my mind?
I wonder if they'll outlaw dousing
See's man made cloud due to the action of cold metal ripping through the sky "ZOMG ITS TEH LIBS POISONING MY AIR" jumps in vehicle modified to spew toxic pitch black clouds at the push of a button and drunkenly crashes into the preschool "THIS AIN'T MY FAULT!"
Alternatively phrased: Florida proposes ban on planes from flying in or over it.
That would be some incredible malicious compliance. “We couldn’t make sure our planes didn’t leave ‘chem trails,’ so we just don’t fly to your state anymore.”
If any state in America needed to be declared a no-fly zone…
Cloud seeding is different than contrails. Think 99% of the people in this thread are confusing the two and making ignorant statements. They're banning the former, not the latter.
Either you're over-estimating the intelligence of the politicians that did this, or underestimating the stupidity of the people who are for the bill. I'm not sure yet which it is.
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They're banning the former thinking they are banning the latter, THAT is the main issue here.
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Everyday I think I've heard the stupidest thing come out of the US, and they somehow trump it the very next day. Remarkable.
Please don't judge us all by Florida's actions. In turn, we won't judge you by the dumbest 0.1% of your country's population.
Florida is also the place where a court decided that residents don't have a right to clean water.
meth is in the air, and water.
I think this is a really shitty bill, but not for the reasons people are assuming. The actual wording is against cloud seeding, but DeSantis is trying to win over his crazies by implying it's for "chemtrails." We're kind of falling for it too here.
"Geoengineering and Weather Modification Activities" (SB 56), prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance or an apparatus into the atmosphere in Florida to affect the temperature, weather, climate or intensity of sunlight. It was OK'd 28–9.
prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance or an apparatus into the atmosphere in Florida to affect the temperature, weather, climate or intensity of sunlight.
Huh, this makes the internal combustion engine illegal.
Water is a chemical. Complete combustion of a hydrocarbon produces water, water when dispersed into the atmosphere creates clouds. Clouds affect the temperature, weather, climate and intensity of sunlight. QED any burning of hydrocarbons is illegal.
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That also makes it illegal to nuke hurricanes
Maybe that's partly why they proposed getting it outlawed now before hurricane season, now that Mr. Hurricane Nuker is back in office, heh.
Sweet Sweet Florida. They sure do make them dumb down there.
Given the education reforms, that's the idea.
This is what they're doing? Friggin' idiots! Why don't they tackle the real problems?!
It is still perfectly legal to be a werewolf!
Jesus fucking Christ Almighty Lord above these people are fucking dumber than god damn bricks.
Morons.
you might as well go right out and say that having an education higher than a 5th grader should also be banned.
Florida doesn't particularly need cloud seeding(they get plenty of rain and don't need to increase snowpack on the mountains they don't have), so it's kind of a useless exercise. The places that do do it mostly seem to be wasting their time though. The climate change attempts to increase albedo and thus lower temperature are just research exercises at this point.
Cloud seeding is only a couple steps above dowsing in its efficacy. It rarely works to do anything. There is a basic principle that is true regarding cloud condensation nuclei, but the methods are so haphazard that it's still mostly just "doing something" to make people feel better. It's basically our equivalent of the Mayan elite rituals encouraging rains for the corn harvest.
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Lots of ignorant comments in here. I'm not even an expert, but numerous scientists agree that the long-term effects of cloud seeding, aka "chemtrails" are not entirely known. However, there are known potential downsides, such as increased flooding and environmental pollution (from the silver iodide used to form the clouds). There are also other downsides to it, but I'm not going to dive into all of that because I'm lazy.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4851009
In short, banning cloud seeding isn't that bad of an idea. Whether the cons outweigh the pros (increased precipitation is good for farmers/crops), that's a debate worth having among our legislators and the scientific community.
That's not what the chemtrails theory is. Geoengineering is a worthwhile thing to prevent in a precautionary way. But some whacko Florida Man highjacked this bill to ban using contrails as some sort of chemical/biological mass sterilization agent.
The bill literally is about cloud seeding. The politicians marketed it as chemtrail bullshit, but that doesn't change the actual content of the bill.
As someone who works for a defense contractor, I like to tell people chemtrails are real just to sow chaos. To add credibility, I refer people to an early test version:
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