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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People understandably love to hate Oblivion and Fallout 3, but I feel the side quest writing had heart, like groups of devs got to go wild within their own little dungeons. Their exploitable mechanics were kinda endearing.

…And I didn’t get that from Starfield? I really tried to overlook the nostalgia factor, but all the writing felt… corporate. Gameplay, animation, Bethesda jank without any of the fun. I abandoned it early and tried to see what I was missing on YouTube, but still don't "get" what people see in that game.

If you want a big walking sandbox in that vein, I feel like No Man's Sky would scratch the itch far better, no?

Meanwhile, BG3 and KC2 completely floored me. So did Cyberpunk 2077, though I only experienced it patched up and modded. Heck, even ME Andromeda felt more compelling to me.

[-] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

Oblivion is my favorite Elder Scrolls. I actually played it again recently and thought it held up pretty well. I'm a sucker for wandering lush bucolic landscapes though.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I’m a sucker for wandering lush bucolic landscapes though.

You should play KC Deliverance 2 if you haven’t. Its forests and rural villages are freaking gorgeous, especially for how "easy" it is to run.

[-] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Yes! I've played a fair bit of KCD 2. Really enjoying it!

[-] cuteness@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I got Cyberpunk in December and KCD2 in February. At this point I’m convinced I’ve spoiled the entire RPG genre for myself for the next decade. I can’t imagine playing 2 great games back to back like that again.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 196 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The joke of these games is that they aren't notably more weird than titles Bethesda and Bioware were famous for turning out. Hard to get more weird than Fallout's more esoteric vaults or Morrowind's bizarre cults and exotic cultures.

BG3/KC:D have been, if anything, a direct successors to the old classics. They're faithfully propagating the fundamental ideas these old titles represented in a way the new studios are unable to reproduce.

Also, honorable mention to the poor bastards who released Disco Elysium and then got their studio stripped out from underneath them by their financiers. Absolute gem of a game and you should feel free to pirate it without a twinge of guilt.

[-] ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Just finished Disco Elysium few days ago, watched the credits roll from start to finish to see all the great people working on it, such a great game…now I am sad for what happened to them, I didnt know that

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago

What had happened to the people in ZAUM (or what was once that studio), is a tragedy, and a huge shame. I'm not even a cRPG/dnd person, but that game has singlehandedly opened my eyes to a whole new world. It's easily in my top10 games of all time, and I wish we could get another one eventually

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I concur; we need more of this new breed of aggressively strange RPG's, like earthbound/mother, planescape:torment, and morrowind.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago

The freedom that Morrowind gives you has never been matched by other Bethesda titles. I think the only path that's blocked to the player is joining the Sixth House, but at least you can kill Vivec before confronting Dagoth Ur

I can't speak for Daggerfall's freedom as I haven't really delved into it, but I know it has 6 different endings depending on which faction you ally with.

[-] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

The Thaumaturge and Clair Obscur both look pretty weird

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[-] addicity@lemm.ee 67 points 3 days ago

It’s funny and sad knowing that Bethesda once were the company making weird and ambitious RPGs.

Morrowind is one of the weirdest and most ambitious games of that era.

[-] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Indeed, as the article writes

Even Skyrim—certainly a weird, ambitious, and janky RPG in its own right—refined and streamlined the formula set by Morrowind and Oblivion, rather than expanding on their eccentricities, and that trend only continued in the studio's following games.

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[-] YungOnions@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

If you're even remotely interested in Warhammer 40k, the Rogue Trader CRPG is excellent

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2186680/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader/

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[-] Galle_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Could somebody please explain fo me how either of these two aggressively cliche and generic games are in any way "ambitious, weird, and unexpected"?

[-] AnagrammadiCodeina@feddit.it 10 points 2 days ago

List some RPGs that are better and lets discuss.

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Are you serious? Do you need help understanding the definitions of ambitious, weird, and unexpected?

Do you need a run down of all generic clones of games bioware and bethesda have released in recent times?

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wish there were more new sci-fi RPGs of that quality.

I do hear CP2077 is good now and I keep meaning to play it.

TBH I'll probably end up enjoying Starfield once I get around to trying it as well.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

I've had cyberpunk since launch and the only thing that has improved is stability. The game is still a hodgepodge of half baked RPG systems, most of which aren't even necessary to interact with. No amount of polish can change the fact that it's a turd underneath.

[-] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

I can tell you haven't booted the game up recently because they completely redid the perk system and cyberware not too long ago.

CDPR has been atoning for the sin that was their failed launch for years. In my opinion, the game is a good game now.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

That was over a year ago and I have. It's a bandaid on a dumpster.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I found a combat mod completely changed the game for me. By making it brutally damaging instead of so bullet spongy and deleveling it, it simplifies all that crap away. Perks and guns are for play styles, and it lets one enjoy the game instead of worrying about them.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

CP2077's story is nice but short (for an RPG these days) but the meat is in the world and side missions.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

As I've grown older and busier, I now prefer shorter games. Even when I intentionally try to play games, I may get 2-3 hours a week most weeks. A 100-hour campaign takes me a year to play through.

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[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 7 points 2 days ago

I've heard people take that approach with Starfield and still be very disappointed. If it's space you want and are ok with creating your own story, Elite Dangerous is getting a pretty big revival

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

the difference is cyberpunk has good direction and writing. starfield's got neither. the problem with cyberpunk wasn't the core of the game, it was bugs. once they fixed most of those the actual direction and story of the game had a chance to shine through.

starfield's problem is the exact opposite. it was praised for being less buggy than the average BGS game, which is faint praise, but the problem is that it's badly designed from the very core. it has bad writing, terrible characters, no direction at all, and no vision. bland, boring and basic. there's no amount of updates that can fix that. the problems aren't technical. there's just no talent there.

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[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago

Yes! BG3 and KC2 devs made amazing games but for some reason decided to have them take place in the most generic, boring medieval/fantasy setting.

I want a pirate RPG, or sci-fi, heck even a hardcore Mario CRPG.

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago

Kingdom Come Deliverance wasn't even on my radar and now I'm obsessed. The NPCs are so fucking funny

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

Interestingly, Avowed is completely missing from this discussion.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

A very fair point, but alas… for better or worse, the bar has indeed been raised, and last month only proved that. February 2025 saw the release of a new RPG from one of the most beloved studios in the genre, Obsidian Entertainment. Avowed is modest by design, but nonetheless it's polished, accessible, and visually impressive, with a rich story from some of the best writers in the business—and the backing of Microsoft, one of the most influential and well-resourced videogame publishers of all time.

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[-] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

But BioWare games used to be the top tier gaming company standard for excellence. Bethesda used to release amazingly ambitious titles that were unmatched (albeit buggy!).

Greed outweighs the love of games.

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