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[-] HEXN3T 43 points 1 month ago

Drag is a perfectly fine user.

Drag is not a tankie. Drag is not a fascist. Drag is not a bigot, not a paedophile, not a scammer, not a rapist, not a billionaire, not any manner of individual that you should be directing your rage toward. Drag is a respectful member of the queer community, like you, like me, or like anyone else. That alone in my books makes a friend, and not an enemy. So what, I had to take ten seconds to connect the pronoun "drag" to what I already know about language?

I, personally, don't find it a major inconvenience to show a little kindness. Also, drag is cute, in my opinion.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For those not familiar with DragonFucker/Rider/Drag:

Dragon uses the pronoun "drag" in place of "I", "drag's" in place of "my".

They wouldn't say:

I like cheese. Blueberry isn't my favorite. I know what my heart wants.

They would say:

Drag likes cheese. Blueberry isn't drag's favorite. Drag knows what drag's heart wants.

Beyond whether or not they literally think they are a dragon, going to marry a dragon, beyond even using 'drag' as a custom neopronoun that normally replaces 3rd person pronouns...

They are using what they call their own custom first person pronouns, but this reads to basically every English speaker as constantly referring to themselves in the 3rd person by using their own nickname, akin to the royal 'we'.

Dragon has told me that they don't see "drag" as a nickname, but as a pronoun.

... I don't think they are trolling, in the sense of just doing something annoying to get a rise out of people, a voluntary activity one choses to do consciously.

Their grammatical behavior is consistent across all their posts, they don't only engage in it from time to time.

I've even had a few conversations with Dragon where I've attempted to explain that half of the hate they get and arguments they get into stem from people misunderstanding what they are saying, because of their extremely niche way of using pronouns.

They've told me, directly, that my understanding of how their pronouns work is correct, and that this proves that their pronoun/grammar style is thus not confusing, and that eventually everyone will just adapt and understand them.

...Despite the fact that I told them I had to do like an hour worth of research to figure out how this all actually works, which Dragon ... intially chastized me for, saying it was all clearly evident from their profile (it wasn't), and that I did not need to do that much research...

...even though I seem to be the only person I am aware of explaining Dragon's grammar/pronoun style in every thread we both happen to be in where most other people are just misunderstanding them and that leading to arguments.

Anyway, I've never heard of anyone using custom pronouns for "I" and "my" until Dragon.

Ever.

I myself am queer, have run in many circles with many lgbtqia folks, and I've even dated a queer person legitimately diagnosed with DID, and not even they would use their own custom first person pronouns for their alters, or the collective system of alters as a whole...

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've seen some people refering themselves with their own name, though all of them is online and haven't met one irl.

Also if people watch We Bare Bears, Ice Bear always refering himself as "Ice Bear" and never "I". No one watching the show seems to hate him, however.

Personally i don't really care, not sure what's the fuss around Drag using it tbh.

Edit: it seems there's more to this story i'm not aware of after reading all the comment, if that's the case i might've mistaken the situation :/

Also now i do remember meeting someone that refer to herself in 3rd person.

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[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Ah lol, your heading is really ambiguous. This initially looked like you were supporting the ban and saying "goodbye" to them.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Sorry about that.

Guess it doesn't matter over-much. Just felt sad about it and felt the need to make one last post.

[-] germanatlas 27 points 1 month ago

It’s crazy what people make a drama about not being able to harass someone who doesn’t use he, she or they

[-] TwiddleTwaddle 26 points 1 month ago

Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out! If you think gatekeeping someone else's identity is acceptable behavior in explicitly trans friendly spaces, then I'll be happy to have less of you in my feed.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Like I said, Ada et co absolutely have the right to cultivate the community they want to see. I legitimately wish them the best.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 19 points 1 month ago

And yet you're trying to stir up drama instead of just shrugging and moving on.

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[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 18 points 1 month ago

Ay bro who cares.

If you enjoy debating this stuff find that space.

If you are bothered by it let it go.

If someone can't be weird on the Internet when can they be weird? Like let people do their thing man

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Honestly, I didn't care until the admins got involved. I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned drag in anything other than passing before this. Now that the admins are saying that denying that dragonfucker is a gender or that dragons exist is a removable and bannable offense? Not feeling like sticking around on Blahaj after that, unfortunately.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 month ago

It's just not worth it imo. Easy to coexist around and not care

I bet in regular conversation on the topic of dragons nobody is going to lose their shit about you reminding people a dragon is a mythical creature.

But if you put it in context of this person it becomes mockery and that's not cool.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I bet in regular conversation on the topic of dragons nobody is going to lose their shit about you reminding people a dragon is a mythical creature.

But if you put it in context of this person it becomes mockery and that’s not cool.

Likewise, in regular conversation on the topic of the earth, no one is going to lose their shit over me reminding people the world is round.

But saying it to a flat-earther, it takes on a very different tone.

But both of those examples fail to fully encapsulate what is being shown here - these posts in the OP? They're all from a thread in which drag is not a participant, in a comm where drag is literally banned. This is not even "Don't tell flat-earthers the earth is round", this is "Don't ever suggest that flat-earth isn't valid".

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 month ago

don't make marginalized people be more marginalized. I don't see how it matters if it happens in another instance if I was spouting hateful rhetoric but didn't do it here does that keep me safe?

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

Get Glomph'd on! Thankfully I've never met someone who actually wants people to refer to them as dragonkin outside of FFXIV roleplay servers.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 month ago

It feels like every time drama pops up, I go through a period of confusion before realizing it involves someone I blocked and forgot about. You'd think I would have learned by now.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah seriously, its not that deep, just block and move on.

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[-] Squorlple@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I cannot see any Lemmy account which the writer of the removed comment could possibly be referring to.

Hypothetically, if there were a user whom all but the admins/mods could conclude to be a troll, all users could individually block said hypothetical troll and advocate for blocking of accounts that come across at first glance, second glance, and even ten hundredth glance to seem to be trolls. This would allow the users to avoid the frustrations wrought by the hypothetical troll as well as prevent users from incriminating themselves within the admins’ and mods’ rules by not interacting with nor even referring to the aforementioned hypothetical troll specifically.

This is all purely hypothetical of course.

Again, I cannot see any Lemmy account which the writer of the removed comment could possibly be referring to.

However, I’m sure the admins/mods couldn’t knock you for gracefully advocating for wariness of nonspecific trolls in general if you happen upon a situation in which you think that warning may be particularly helpful.

You can also just block users whom you get bad vibes from for whatever reason, whether you believe them to be genuine or maliciously disingenuous.

Do admins have access to a tally of how many users have blocked a given account? This may give them an indication of whom the user masses consider to be problematic accounts.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What exactly was the issue with my posts? Just curious

Edit apparently gatekeeping and trans med stuff. That’s…a misinterpretation, but it’s okay whatever, lol

[-] Walk_blesseD 12 points 1 month ago

Dude you don't gotta announce your departure

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Let me know where you end up, I always feel like walking on thin Ice here.

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[-] Katzastrophe@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

Love how drag lives rent free in your head. Seriously, get a hobby dude, obsessing about a trans person this much is not healthy.

At any point you could have simply blocked drag, but no, engaging with drag is so much better, isn't it? Now you've made posts upon posts and comments upon comments about how blahaj is weird, about how drag does not deserve to have drag's pronouns respected, and how admins/mods/whatever on blahaj are bad.

To what end? To tell the greater user base that your opinion is superior? To make it known that drag is weird and in turn potentially cause drag to be harassed? To have the admins and mods be harassed? To have individual users with non-standard pronouns harassed?

You say you don't care and wish Blahaj well, but your posts and comments say otherwise. My friend, it might not have been your goal, but your posts and comments are rather inciting in nature, people will get harassed because of you.

[-] shani66@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, I'm a Taurus, a gamer (ttrpg kind, i don't use the gamer word), and identify more with cats than dogs, but none of that is gender related nor gets it's own pronouns. heck I'm a transhumanist so i fully get the desire to not be human, but its all a little dumb imo ┐(シ)┌

That said, i just ignored the guy you're talking about and enjoyed more interesting conversations. Like the topic of pronouns in general! We absolutely could use better ones

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