[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

Yes and I have told you that most of those protesters are the same people who would say that the democrats have not earned their vote. Which means that you are calling them fascists in this post.

The course of action you're referring to is missing a full half of the very short and very readable comment you replied to.

Okay, so, like I said, you have a little under two months to complete that. Otherwise? Accept that political power comes with political responsibility.

If you aren't going to bother reading what I say, I don't really know why I should continue this conversation with you.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

It just means that the people protesting on the streets are doing more good than a dem voter

If all they manage to is change the current administration's policy by protesting on the streets without ensuring that the current fascist threat doesn't worm its way back into power, they've done a great deal less good than those of us involved in electoral politics working to actually block the fascist who jerks off to genocide and will have immense power to hurry it along.

I have nothing but respect for pro-Palestine protesters who understand the power they wield as citizens and voters. I don't have any respect for pro-Palestine protesters who think that allowing fascism to win is in any way kosher.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Okay. Do you agree that calling people who are actually trying to do this fascist is twisted,

Only if their anti-genocide protest consists of helping fascists into power. All other anti-genocide protesters are based in my book.

Please try reading what I say before responding to it.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago

So… people asking the person who is supposed to represent them to meet them in the middle are facists?

My favorite part was late last year when so many Very Concerned Leftists were crying "IF THE DEMS CAME OUT IN FAVOR OF A CEASEFIRE, THEN I COULD SUPPORT THEM AGAINST THE LITERAL FASCISTS, OH WOE IS ME, I CANNOT DO SO UNTIL THEY AT LEAST DO THAT BARE MINIMUM OF EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR A CEASEFIRE!"

And then when Biden began publicly supporting a ceasefire, they immediately changed their tack so they could continue supporting fascism in the US. Such is how it always goes with such creatures.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

I find it wild that you take that conclusion from what I said.

Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.

Would you like to re-read the first line of the meme, or are you just spouting off without regard to what the topic actually is?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

Okay, so, like I said, you have a little under two months to complete that. Otherwise? Accept that political power comes with political responsibility.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 32 points 5 hours ago

if democrats really cared about ppl voting, they would be introducing proportional representation (eg ranked choice) electoral reforms rather then blaming voters for knowing exactly what the democrats are…

There's been considerable momentum towards ranked choice reform in the US in the past few years, most of it through the Dems.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 5 hours ago

Protestation and striking is the only way to achieve goals that are against the interests of the ruling class. You are trying to shame the only people actually doing anything worthwhile. Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.

Oh, cool, so we're in agreement, then, that the people saying stuff like "The Democrats have to EARN my vote against fascism!" are actually disingenuous accelerationists doing the old conservative routine of "Meet me in the middle" with no intention of ever actually cooperating or improving anyone's life.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago

When there is no option to vote against genocide you turn to the streets.

You've got a little under two months to overthrow the government. If your master plan isn't completed by then, the only moral choice is to vote strategically.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 27 points 5 hours ago

You know that the people saying that the democratic party has to earn their vote are for a large portion muslims who can not vote for a party that will continue funding a genocide right?

Oh, cool, so doing that is going to reduce US support for the ongoing genocide, right?

... right...?

I find it appalling that instead of calling the people who are currently funding the genocide fascist, you are actually calling those people that are protesting against the genocide fascist.

Cool. I find it appalling that choosing to usher in fascists who will do everything in their power to assist the genocide is considered a morally acceptable choice by some people.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 35 points 6 hours ago

Only if their anti-genocide protest consists of helping fascists into power. All other anti-genocide protesters are based in my book.

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Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn't spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.

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No, no, THIS time protest-voting to allow fascism will work to usher in a real left-wing movement in this country, promise! /s

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