I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don't think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can't be defeated with votes, but I can't see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I'm sure the fascists won't just give up because they lost an election, but that's not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don't think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it's going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.

I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren't any "good candidates" you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life

I would vote for the wrinkles on Biden's nutsack before voting for Trump.

I'm hoping Biden steps down and is replaced, but if he doesn't, as concerning as that is to our chances, I will still be voting for the Dem ticket against literal fucking fascism and encouraging everyone I know IRL to do likewise.

It's not about that. It's about sleep walking into fascism. Before the debate it was metaphorical. If you keep voting for the lesser evil you still get evil. It just takes longer.

Now we're being asked to vote for someone who clearly cannot handle the duties of the office and is nothing more than a figurehead. Rubber stamping this does not protect democracy. It proves they can manufacture consent to put whoever they want in that office and you guys will keep pulling that lever thinking, "it could be worse".

Biden does one thing wrong. And that is Gaza. There is a shit ton he has done right:

Supreme Court reform

Student loan debt relief

Healthcare reform

Renewable energy act

Banking reform

Agriculture subsidies to be ecological

Helping local farms

Weed restriction reclassification

Tech privacy restrictions

Making medicare more accessible

Veteran affairs

And quite a few more. Give credit where credit is due. He's worked hard for us.

It's not just having elections. It's having enough breathing room to enact fundamental change at all. We need to unionize every workplace, and start insisting that politicians of any party work for us. The path forward will be hard enough under Biden, but basically impossible under Trump. Voting is not sufficient by itself.

I'll do my duty and vote for Biden, but we're going to lose with Biden.

• 37% approval-rating matching Jimmy Carter; no candidate in history won with those numbers.
• Biden has the most catastrophic debate performance in history, proving long-held fears by 75% of the electorate that Biden is too old 3 an immutable, worsening attribute.
• Biden was already hemorrhaging black and hispanic voters.
• Biden was already losing youth vote in part due to his position on Israel.
• Trump's polls hardly budge after a full-blown criminal conviction.
• Trump seizes the narrative for the first time positively with a VP pick and TIME-cover magazine shots of him pumping his fist, defiant with a flag in the background as he's covered in blood from an assassination attempt.
• Trump campaign has barely spent a nickle of their war chest money while Biden has been dumping their cash just to stay afloat in the polls as damage-control post-debate.
• Biden campaign team has ZERO strategy to change the trajectory of his terrible polls, including the 6 battleground states, all of which he trails in.

Ultimately it's not me you have to convince; it's the low-info battleground state swing-voter who now is either not voting or leaning Trump once again.

I will continue to advocate for Biden to step down until post-Convention; after that, well, I'll probably bet money against his victory. That way, at least it's win-win for me.

The problem with this meme is that it's written by a shelter middle class white person. Minorities and poor people HAVE been dying due to Democrats' capitation and appeasement to Republicans for years now.

The choice is between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Undecided voters are the dumbest people on the face of the Earth.

The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he's gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he's confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt

Even if Trump is defeated. Trumpism isn't over and we ill be in a endless loop of corporatists Dems will leave us in this same situation. This is the fork in the road for Dems to actually change and voters to demand better. Time is ticking, they have to figure out the best path forward.

What really annoys me about all these political meme/card posts is the lack of spell checking.

They’re right, but dammit, at least try to make your point look good. That would be the ideal.

Until the next one. The republicans are a looming existential threat that senior democrats do not take seriously, nor do they know how to fight.

I hope we all remember the senior democrat leadership closing ranks to keep meaningful change (sanders) out during the last primary.

Joe's got to go.

BUT ~~HER EMAILS~~ BIDEN OLD!

I agree. So we should all rally around a candidate who actually has a chance to beat Trump rather than blindly following some guy who's comfortable handing over the White House as long as he, "tried his best."

genocide is not really meh

Here's the thing. Many of us on here agree with you, but there are many Americans who are not terminally online or politically charged as we are. Getting them to vote for an old man who is often incoherent will be difficult. We need a candidate who can get those people to actually vote, and I am not sure Biden is that guy in his current form. At the end of the day, I don't care if it's Biden or Harris or someone else, I just want to ensure that we put the best chance to win forward, and I am not convinced Biden is that person.

The real question we should be asking is, how do we motivate as many voters as possible, shit posting to people who have seen posts like this 700 times this week doesn't do that.

I'm sorry, but this really isn't true. Almost everyone here, leftist or liberal, is going to vote, and the vast majority of them are going to vote for Biden. There will be some protest votes, especially in safe states, but if you care enough to post on a left-leaning political group, you care enough to try to block Trump.

The people that will cost Biden the election are the people who don't argue online. They support the Democrats (or at least oppose the Republicans), but they don't always vote. They probably live in a state without mail-in voting, they probably live paycheck to paycheck, and they really just don't have a lot of spare time. They'll go to the polls if they think it's really important or they're very enthusiastic about the candidate, but if not, they'd rather rest or get a load of laundry done before work tomorrow, because it's not that important anyway. The Democrats need to find a way to get those people out if they want to win.

Yup, the centre and left needs to stop being so divided and just work together on things we agree with by voting for Joe Biden and supporting ranked choice.

Just mark whoever has (D) on your ballot in November and stop paying attention to the presidential race. Your votes for your representatives and senators are FAR more impactful, and a United Democratic Congress is far more capable of stopping fascism than a Republican one

I am curious who this is directed at. I think most people on Lemmy (excepting the Tankie minority who I mostly avoid) agree that voting democrats is the best political strategy in this election.

However, there is a separate and more contentious question of who the person we’ll be voting for should be. I don’t think the answer to this is obvious at all and it’s very strange to me that some people react with so much hostility to asking that question.

If this is about the first topic, I don’t see the need for it, and if it’s about the second, then it needs to be clearer and better articulated to sway anyone or spark useful discussion.

Don't let "not ideal" be the enemy of "replacing Biden for a candidate that can beat Trump."