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The only way we lose is if we stand divided.
(lemmy.world)
PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
I'm not the one who put in Biden you dip shit. I primaried against him in 2020, was vocally against him in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
You fucking wish that a biden win is impossible. You are the trumper and the fascist and everything that goes with it because effectively, everything you do is for him.
"Blue MAGAs" "It's over. You lost"
This troll has no intention of having a meaningful discussion. He lives in a bizarre reality where voting against a rapist, dictator, and felon is the same as going full cock in hand for an authoritarian. Block him and move on.
"Blue MAGA" What fucking fascist circlejerk birthed that nonsense?
The term has been around for just over a year.
AKA Blue Fash/ Blue MAGA/ BNMW (But actually only Biden).
It started as a descriptor for those defending Biden running again (when it was a literal campaign promise that he would stick to one term). Got more traction when the DNC cancelled/ disallowed any debates that would have put Biden on stage and have him challenged from within the party. The DNC pushed for a coronation and fed the line that anyone challenging this was "for Trump" through their various mainstream and alternative outlets.
Dummies ate it up, and post October, say, November, when it was clear that Biden was taking the wrong side of the Gaza/ Israel issue and he started to see challenges to his policies from within the party, thats when the Blue MAGA rhetoric really got going. Its rhetorically very similar to what we saw coming from r/TheDonald in the earliest days of the MAGA movement. No space for nuance, gaslit trolling, vote-shaming, etc.
When we saw a write in campaign for Undecided, that should have been the "SLAM ON BREAKS/ PULL HANDLE TO STOP" moment for Joe Biden, but Blue MAGA, in both mainstream and social media, worked to prevent a serious discussion around Joe Biden until very recently, when it became so appealingly glaring that he couldn't win, even their abuse wasn't enough to halt the conversation.
No no no, people were shutting down anti-joe sentiment since the 2020 election. It's not blue MAGA it's corporate control. Reddit was being commercialized and anything left of Joe was bad for business. Lemmy is a silo so when people transitioned after the mod strike they were finally allowed to say the fucking truth. Unfortunately the tankies and right wing ideologues got here first because they were driven from reddit long before the leftists.
Most people were fine with the fact we had to throw down for joe again but because of obvious discourse bad actors have been amplifying in-fighting just about the time when there was nothing left anyone could do. They did the same thing with Bernie in 2016 and guess what, it's working again.
This whole sub is a testament to it. April, May, June, none of my memes would have gotten traction.
I think this (if a bit dated) macro highlights the definition fairly well:
The know your meme article is worth a read. We're both wrong on dates. It was coined in 2017. Obviously its usage has transformed several times, and I think my defintiion is probably the most accurate current working definition, specifically for the period from post WI/ MI/ MN primaries to now. Its the definition Jon Stewart used recently.
Another example is MSNBC host Joy Reid saying she would vote for Joe Biden if he was in a coma. Or Whoopi saying she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage.
And this is the whole rhetorical point. It doesn't matter that these Blue MAGA have incredibly low standards or are only interested this one guy. Saying you want insist on running the comatose pants shitter is not convincing to others and its losing Democrats the elections, entirely. Hence the actual panic in the Democratic party at this point, because Joe Biden's down ballot impacts are that you give team red a super majority in BOTH the house and the senate.
If you actually care about winning the election, its not about you being convinced of something; its about what is going take to convince a majority of people other than you of something.
See. This is just not TRUE. Its not supported by the data. Look at the previous 450 days of polling. Look at the write in campaigns when the DNC shut-down anything resembling a real primary. You have to come to terms with the actual material fact that no, most Democrats right now do not want Joe Biden as candidate. This intentional ignoring of the facts is what qualifies as Blue MAGA behaviror.
Polling data is notoriously shit. Joe won the primaries in 2020 and a better candidate has not emerged since. 2020 showed us that both candidates were not popular. Ever.
In fact, Joe gets less credit then he deserves because he has done phenomenal for being a fucking useless dinosaur.
Blue MAGA is thought terminating terminology and I will never submit to your fucking bullshit. I didn't when you were screaming "alt-left" and I won't wen you start saying blue-fash. You want the fucking "both sides" argument so hard and it's absolute shit.
Edit:
Also love the fact that "only political DNC insiders votes should count" is in your meme and that's exactly what you want to happen at the convention.
If you've lost your connection to reality, and it seems like you have, I don't know what other term to use for you. And its accurate in the sense that Red MAGA and now, you, with Blue MAGA, are in a cult that has completely detached its self from reality. The only thing guiding your rhetoric is your fear and your feelings. You have nothing to back up your argument for supporting Biden. When confronted with reality, you dismiss it.
Its sad to see whats happened to supposed "leftists".
You are a walking definition of Blue MAGA.
You've lost touch with reality. You think you're some sort of 'online freedom fighter' that will change political discourse using the most advance meme technology. You're some schmuck on a smartphone and the government will bring you to your knees before the revolution even has a chance to begin. You're either losing at a rigged game till you die or winning some sort of lottery. The meme revolution is a fantasy.
You are the one rejecting evidence of polling, not me.
And like clockwork, here you are.
How does it feel to be on the losing side of history AGAIN?!
It literally wasn't a campaign promise. I know all you ever do is misrepresent things. But for Christ's sake at least put basic effort into making it hard to fact check your lies when you troll. "Aids signaling he might be a one term president" doesn't constitute a campaign promise.
Axios doesn't agree with you:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/03/biden-campaign-democrats-pledge-one-term
What this axios? From the literal link you just posted?
It was a campaign promise dude. It was in his rhetoric. He said it several times. Was it litterally in his platform? Did he sign a contract? No but thats never how campaign promises work.
You are being obtuse if you think that's how campaign promises are made.
No it literally wasn't. A campaign promise is a specific thing. He didn't promise it. And you can twist and kvetch all you want about it. But it's not going to magically make it something that it never was.
I think he should have only been one term. Quite frankly I think all the people that were running this term were pathetic and that's the reason he decided to stay in. But a campaign promise is a very specific thing.
If a guy says he's going to do or not do a thing in a campaign, thats a promise.
It might have been one he never intended to keep, but he made sure it got out there and into the media.
Quote where Biden himself said it on the campaign Trail and I'll believe you. Point out official campaign Communications highlighting this as a promise and I'll believe you. If all you have is his aids signaling that he might. That's not a promise. And you and those like yourself are playing stupid semantic games in order to lie.
"I don't know why you get up in the morning, you're just gonna die eventually anyway"
Easier just to block some folks.
Yes plug your ears to anyone who disagrees with you
lol you say you were against Biden until 2023? And now you’re this? Congratulations, you stand for absolutely nothing.
I hope Biden wins. And then I want him to go to The Hague. Y’all gotta quit pretending that Biden is the only thing saving your country from fascism. It’s an embarrassment.
You're the embarrassment. Ushering in fascism and pretending you're better than anyone. People dead in the streets you'll sit at home drinking your own piss thinking, "I sure told that guy online once."
Or maybe thats you?
Ok, let's here it. How am I ushering fasicm.
Let me guess:
Im the one letting biden be the dnc candidate? Laughable
No one polling at his levels has won a Federal office, ever. Not once.
Biden can't win. Its just what it is. He's too unpopular with his own party, with likely Democrat voters, with Independents. And that was the case before his disastrous debate performance (and the extended disaster encoure he's offered post-debate). Its just plain, boring as cake fact that this particular candidate is losing the election, severely. Its pretty well established that due to a variety of factors, we need to see a Democrat polling at 8-+ their competition nationally to be break even on election day, and ideally 12+ to be comfortable. Biden was up on Trump 8 going into election day, and barely squeaked by. 40k votes in like 3 counties in swing states made the entire difference. That victory was so tight it made our buttholes squeak.
You can't stop fascism/ Trump/ Project 2025 with Biden as the candidate. The campaigns that are doing internal polling see that. And its not new new's. Biden hasn't been winning this race at any point in his campaign.
You have to make a choice: You can either make your commitment to stopping fascism and Trump and project 2025, or your commitment can be to Joe Biden.
You can't have it both ways because the data is the clearest its literally ever been in American electoral politics: Joe Biden is going to lose this. It doesn't matter if we have to figure out at the convention. It doesn't matter if they want the delegates to decide or want to do another coronation. What matters is that if you refuse to get on the side of replacing Biden, you are conceding this election to DJT and come what may.
Cake is delicious, not boring.
There is no side to get on. Joe Biden has to step down. Then we can talk.
Here's your meme, "take it up with Joe."
His apologists online and in the media need to be stopped before that is going to happen. If the 1/5 to 1/3 of DNC primary voters that are Blue MAGA are the loudest and we aren't continuously crying out that Biden needs to be replaced, he stays.
If we can break the neck of Blue MAGA and get them to STFU and take a back seat, we can have an open convention and come what may. At least then we've got a chance.
You think Joe is listening to reddit??? You're on another planet.
Joe is talking to his donors. Listening to his campaign manager and notoriously ignoring everyone who has asked him to step down.
But right, reddits got this one.
Just yesterday, he said he was a zionist??? You're fucking delulu.
Yelling at people who are going to vote Democrat anyway about how they need to support Joe Biden to stop fascism is exactly why your country is going to get fascism. You’re not willing to address the issues you actually need to address to stop fascism in your country, and would rather blame your vague idea of what leftist radicalism is than do anything that might be even slightly difficult to accept and hard to apply pressure to.
Don’t be the joke the rest of the world thinks you are and stop being okay with the shit your government does to leftist movements in America. Or don’t and just keep doing the same stupid shit over and over expecting a different result, I don’t care anymore.
Who knew it was the guy online who was passionate about stopping trump that gave "everyone in the swing states" the ick.
Apologies.