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[-] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 88 points 8 months ago

That shit scarred me, and I think was a major contributor to an anxious-preoccuppied attachment style as an adult. A lifetime of being put on a pedestal from the recognition I was bright and a novel thinker, and then the judgment when I inevitably goofed something up left me with a deep -rooted belief that the true me was unworthy and an inevitable fuck up. "Taniwha is an intelligent and capable person, if only he would stop being such a fuck around." I learned not to trust myself because inevitability I'd do something impulsive, or miss some social queue, or not stay with the program, which made me very Other-focused and wanting to do the "right thing" so I didn't let everyone down again.

Every single report card and evaluation I've ever received was full of back handed compliments pointing to a moral failing. "... if only he just completed his homework on time," "... needs to stay focused," "... too much time socialising with/distracting his neighbour."

"Lots of potential ... If only ..." Never enough.

Fuck you. That was the thing I was born to struggle with. How many stupid kids got sent home with report cards that said things like, "John's a hard worker and attentive student. He has a lot of potential, but he needs to work on not being stupid."

Parents: "Johnny. You NEED to stop being so stupid in class, and start being smarter or you're going to need Canada's most disciplined ditch digger."

To this day, an accomplished academic, a variable professional, and kind person I still freak out inside when someone gets excited about me. I keep falling into relationships with avoidants because trying to please someone who I've let down is just about all I know.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 40 points 8 months ago

My shrink said that this is basically the reason why full grown adults break down crying when they receive their diagnosis.

Basically they're discovering that they're not lazy pieces of shit.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 8 months ago

I was diagnosed at 5 and kinda wish I hadn’t been.

I’ve spent my whole life knowing this is why, and having “the tools to fix it” but they never actually helped fix it. I took myself off meds from 13-34 (and managed to get a degree in that time, but never stable employment) because I didn’t think they helped, and at 34 I used them about 6 months to see if it was better.. it isn’t, so I just feel like an extra lazy piece of shit who can’t even function with meds.

So I get this really fun dual disappointment that not only have I not managed to overcome something I’ve always known about, I also can’t find things that help when other people find such relief.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Idk if this will help you process it all a bit better but more often than not the medication needs dialed to your specifics. They'll hit you with broad dosages that need to be fine tuned over a lengthy period of time.

That's why it feels like the medications aren't working most of the time. Because the dosage may not be correct for your body specifically.

This is something I've struggled with myself. The constant fight of "do I quit taking them entirely and just raw dog life, or do I keep going through the motions until we happen to get the right cocktail"

Maybe you already knew that but I hope it helps you realize why it's such a struggle.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago

Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to write that out. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be a matter of finding a dose that works, hence the 6 month period as a cognizant adult. I wanted to see if it was any different than when I was young.

I was on a wicked high dose as a kid that I basically never came down from (my docs wouldn’t even give me that high a dose as an adult). They just kept dialing it up and up because it wasn’t really helping. That’s a big part of why I took myself off it at 13. The side effects were so bad I struggled to eat for years. As an adult I played with various meds and strengths and found them to be not very effective, but with highly unpleasant side effects, similar to when I was young. And I think I understand why they didn’t work as a kid, too.. they do give me some ability to concentrate, but exclusively on stuff I shouldn’t be focused on. It basically amplifies the bad habits, rather than helping fix them. I do still use them occasionally on my off days, when it doesn’t matter what I get done as long as it’s something, but they aren’t a useful tool in daily life.

I don’t know why it’s that way, but at this point I’ve spent so much of my life not using it, and finding so very little positive value from it when I do, that I’m not willing to jump through all the hoops in hopes that some whacky combo will hit right 4 years from now. I don’t have the energy to do all that when I have other things that need that energy more urgently. Sucks, but it is what it is I guess.

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

It's... torture. Its unfair. Honestly being told that by so many people is kind of why I gave up for such a long time. If I ever tried again at all. All that same 'reinforcement' and 'feedback' thrown this way and I just got so tired of hoping to not disappoint people that I gave up and just stopped trying. If I was going to disappoint them anyway I might as well do it without torturing myself in the process, right?

I'm glad you pushed through. It's difficult as hell and to do it on your own and keep pushing, especially here in Canada where mental health supports are severely lacking? I don't know you but I'm proud of you.

[-] DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

If I was going to disappoint them anyway I might as well do it without torturing myself in the process, right?

...but how do you keep yourself from torturing yourself for disappointing yourself?

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[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Feeling this big time. I'm sure many of us can relate way to hard to that.

If anyone asks me to take on too big of a project that requires too much planning or stretch I freak the fuck out and inevitably fail to pull it off not just because of difficulties with ADHD but also because the emotional trauma from failing to live up to expectations over and over again is paralyzing.

I'm fortunate to have found a gig where I can basically just get better at the same thing and increase my level of challenge more incrementally. And I'm recognized and respected and valued by peers and bosses. I don't need promotions or more stress or responsibility. I can contribute to helping junior folks.

I will say that getting diagnosed and thus discovering my inability to finish things or "meet my potential" wasn't a moral failing and I let myself off the hook for a lot of things pretty fast. Sure the trauma response remained but at least I wasn't constantly berating myself anymore.

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Youd be the top of the class if you... tried"

Meanwhile I am basically at war with myself every millisecond of the day to get what I get done, done and all people see is what the winner of that war accomplished. It feels like a war but is probably better described as a tug of war where the victor doesn't need to just win but overpower their opponent enough to do literally anything else.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Kind of a mental tractor pull combined with a drag race.

[-] Binthinkin@kbin.social 53 points 8 months ago

There was a Bart Simpson t-shirt my mom bought me when I was a kid. Bart said: Underachiever and proud of it.

It was a total societal bullshit fest during the 90’s.

They erased mental healthcare with dipshit Ronald and then mentally fucked with anyone who didn’t conform in the 90’s.

It backfired but not enough. It’s up to us to push that old bullshit out of society now that the Boomer are all braindead.

[-] 567PrimeMover@kbin.social 22 points 8 months ago

I lived through that fucking decade and I think it has a lot to do with how fucked up I am today. The way my school district dealt with a kid that couldn't sit still was to lock them in a cinder block room with nothing but a desk and a pencil. They would keep you in there until you finished whatever assignment the teacher gave you.

Then I was prescribed ritalin. I was ridiculously allergic to it and it gave me seizures. When I wasn't having seizures I was almost catatonic which the school liked, because it meant I stayed in my chair. The school tried their best to keep me on it even though my parents were VERY unsure about the whole seizures thing and negative effects on my personality. One day I asked my mom "If I do something bad when I'm on my medicine, do I go to hell?" (I have a very religious family) and that was the push they needed to take me off it.

I haven't sought treatment or therapy since, because of that whole debacle. Every once in awhile I think about it, but it sends me in an anxiety/ptsd spiral and I chicken out.

Hell, when I graduated, they would give you your permanent record along with your diploma on the stage. Everyone else's was super thin, but mine was three folders about three inches thick each. I didn't even look at it, just burned it out of shame. I'm sure it was full of "prime mover has a lot of potential" bullshit. I wish so bad that I could be normal, but I don't think I even got a ticket for that boat before it sailed.

Sorry for the rant. Still pissed off at my school system, but not sure who to share that rage with. Fuck em all

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 5 points 8 months ago

Hell, when I graduated, they would give you your permanent record

Holy crap that was real?! I thought it was something TV shows made up to scare kids. Like, I know they keep a file on kids with important info. But every infraction or whatever is dystopian.

I also grew up in the 90s and got hit with ADD diagnosis when I was about 5 (1990). I was on Ritalin and then Adderall for years and I KNOW the dosage wasn't figured out yet and way too high. I was much more quiet, barely had a personality and would routinely give away my lunch because I had no appetite. Eventually 5-7 years of that I started just throwing the meds away and when school found out my parents took me off them.

I'm pretty sure I still have mild ADHD and have considered getting prescribed something or talking to a doc to help but like you that shit came with scars. Early adopters for meds can have it rough.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

It backfired by causing school shootings. We're dealing with the fallout of Boomer-style parenting now. For anyone who has or is about to have children, look up gentle parenting.

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[-] i_dont_want_to 31 points 8 months ago

Yeah I got potential. I put in a lot of effort to reach that potential.

Did the effort pay off? No.

Did it look like I didn't do anything? Yes.

When I asked for help I was told "just do it." So I kept trying really hard but still the results were far less than the effort put in. For some reason I burnt the hell out overextending myself to get stuff done.

I feel like the task is moving water from a pond to a large basin. Everyone else got buckets and I got a ladle.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

This was my life. I managed to get a masters degree and loved the process but everything else in life has been a constant struggle just to do basic things.

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[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

I am very hesitant about this current "I have ADHD" trend I'm seeing on the Internet, but fuck every thing I see like this makes me feel like I do have it.

Anyone know Good, legitimate, safe resources for exploring if I have ADHD?

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

See a doctor. May not be the most helpful advice, but it helped me after 29 undiagnosed years.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hello, clinical MH counselor with ADHD here. This meme isn't a good indicator of ADHD symptoms since it more broadly reflects the experience of being a "gifted child". While many with ADHD fall into this category, it's not a proper criterion or indicator of ADHD. Many without ADHD struggled with "gifted kid syndrome" too, after all.

If you'd like an ADHD self-assessment, you can check out the ASRS-v1.1. It is NOT a diagnosis ; it only indicates that follow up is warranted. Many symptoms can overlap with things like Anxiety disorders or Autism Spectrum Disorders, etc. You need a clinician to perform a proper ddx for that. But it should be a good starting point.

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[-] anotherandrew@lemmy.mixdown.ca 8 points 8 months ago

You go to a doc. They’ll usually give you a form to fill out and it’s really a self evaluation. Answer enough questions the “right way” and they’ll take a closer look.

For me, the confirmation of the condition was after taking the new rx for a few days. “Oh, THIS is what a quiet mind is!”

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[-] omnomed@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] Leilys@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago

Take some of the questionnaires from more legitimate ADHD resource sites. Where I scored highly likely to be ADHD, my partner did not at all.

That being said, you could also undergo psychiatric assessment with a psychiatrist, but it may be a little expensive. I would recommend it if you can, because medication and appropriate psychotherapy can greatly improve quality of life.

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[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"I know he deserves a B but he could get an A if he tried harder so I'll give him a C to motivate him"

Yeah, I had a few teachers adopting that reasoning. While kids who knew less than I did but were perceived to try harder were given better grades. Surprised pikachu when I started to barely do enough for a D.

[-] anotherandrew@lemmy.mixdown.ca 17 points 8 months ago

Holy shit that makes my blood boil! If I earned a B you fucking give me a B, marks are not arbitrary and based on your feelings.

We had a teacher like this for my youngest son. Her marking of his work was consistently two letter grades below every other mark he got in all of his subjects. Got the school board involved after having a few other teachers independently grade the same paper she gave him a C on. She is no longer involved in any of his studies.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

It'll make your head explode to find out that giving someone a B+ in that situation is more likely to lead to an A the next.. positive encouragement leads to positive feeling about the task. It's bullshit to think some kid is gonna think "oh I did bad I'm gonna do more of this to get better.". it's really easy to see how "oh I got this, I'm going to do more of it"

(This works for subjective learning only. Things that require mastery like mathematics needs a different system)

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[-] twoshoes@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I've always had bad grades, so for that one test my mom studied very hard with me. After grades were given back, my teacher came up to me and literally said that the performance was worthy of a 2 (B) but she's given me a 4 (D) again, to motivate me.

Needless to say, motivation was not achieved.

Furthermore, it's one of the core experiences that led me to mentally check out of the school system eventually and still fuels my distrust of authorities and institutions to this day, almost 20 years later. Well done Frau Bauer.

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah...she didn't tell you what she was motivating you for...

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 8 months ago

It’s awful. It builds on the sick idea programmed into us that your productivity defines your worth as a human being.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I don't know. If I were more productive at making cookies, I would be happier because I could eat more cookies.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 8 months ago

Being productive in things you care about is a necessary part of self care and can enhance your happiness for sure.

But that’s different than basing the value of actual people (including yourself) on productivity.

[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I hate this. And I hate the constant message from everything and everyone that we need to be constantly growing, learning, improving. It just makes you feel like you're never good enough, and when you get to good enough, there'll be a new level of good enough you haven't reached yet.

Can't I just enjoy who I currently am??!

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

My mother was the god of the drive-by shaming where she would complain about my potential and then walk away without offering any sort of help.

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[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think about this a lot. Like, a lot a lot. But I'm also happy where I'm at in life right now, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Yeah... It hurts.

I'm glad you're better off my friend <3

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[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As graduation was looming, I was standing in the hallway shooting the bull with one of my favorite teachers when he dropped this bomb on me:

AtmaJnana, you've got a lot of potential.

You know what potential means?

...

It means you ain't done shit.

[-] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Fuck.

Same.

I see it in my kid too.

How can I stop the cycle but still help.

Words suck. What are some good words for me but also my youngin

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think arming yourself with information about ADHD is your best bet to break any cycles related. Get diagnosed, get them diagnosed, seek counseling if it's feasible. There are a ton of coping skills that can help, but they have to be learned, and counseling will help in that tremendously. If that's not available, there's a ton of resources online.

It's also important to know that ADHD isn't necessarily something wrong with you, it's an adaptation. People with ADHD tend to be incredibly well performing when they're in the right environments, which is the kind of thing that can be learned through counseling or research.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Search for "adhd coping skills" and try them all until you find what works for each of you.

Since what works is different for everyone so you will both need to develop coping skills independently.

But also keep in mind that many techniques won't work for you and you need to be persistent and that doesn't come naturally with ADHD so I suggest aiming for whatever technique will help you achieve that first.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 8 months ago

Its also crucial, when trying to teach these methods to a child, that you frame them as multiple options that can and will fail to help, and that the failure is of the method not the child.

These techniques are akin to shoes. You go to the store to try on a bunch of different styles to see what fits, whats comfy, what looks good, and what you ultimately want to wear outdoors. You dont fail to fit a pair of shoes. They just arent your size.

Trying a bunch of coping mechanisms and skills that dont work will feel like failure if framed incorrectly, and make it harder to try the next one. Kids dont always know how to change their frame of mind around these things, so its key to help make sure they dont think of it as another test to pass or fail.

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[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

the words "you so much potential" have done incredibly damage to my confidence. I'm trying so hard to unlearn it but no matter what I do I feel like a failure because I have sO mUcH pOtEnTiAl

[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I still feel this as an adult, I want to be a successful artist and have finished college, signed up for my doctor's appointments, but I just keep gravitating towards the easy dopamine inducing mindless activities

[-] Seudo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Maybe it's the system that's broken not the individuals.

[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

People get uncomfortable when I call myself stupid, because they see me at moments when I can fully access my brain and keep it organized, and think that I'm able to access that state most of the time. Hell no, I work best when my brain is turned off 90% of the time hence why the majority of the time I am ACTUALLY STUPID. Still not sure if its my ADHD, my Autism, or my mental health and anxiety why I function best with my brain turned off

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

Stuff like this hits you harder than a gut punch

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 8 months ago

I swear I almost wish I had ADHD. At least then I could say it's not 100% my fault for being an absolute worthless failure. "Unfortunately" that's all on me.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

worthless failure can be part of the diagnostic criteria. (not really but somewhat) you may still want to talk with a professional. you have likely developed coping strategies.

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[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I was undiagnosed for a long time, and my progress reports always came back with "work is erratic"... How did that not send up flags?

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