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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 100 points 7 months ago
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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 68 points 7 months ago

Why don't Presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

Before World War I and World War II, many thought things would not escalate until we realised it was far too late. The British intelligence thought the assassination of Franz Ferdinand would only be contained regionally instead of escalating to a world war.

Most wars are class wars and most issues are class issues. But most people are not class conscious. The base tribalism is instead drummed up to distract us from the real root cause. We're seeing the rise of the far right in many countries such as in Europe, US and India. Most of the rise of the right is due to influx of migrants, who are displaced by neocolonial foreign policies of corporate backed governments and capitalism-induced global warming.

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[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 7 months ago

This sentiment of 'I'm not going to fight' is funny until the war actually starts. And then it's either you fight early, or you fight late. Sometimes too late.

[-] MinusPi@yiffit.net 22 points 7 months ago

Nah. I'd legitimately rather kill myself than fight for my government.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 43 points 7 months ago

Millennials volunteered for Iraq.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

That’s scary to know.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 41 points 7 months ago

I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I'm absolutely fighting.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 7 months ago

That's how they do it, you know. Build up the enemy as this absolutely big bad that you feel you have to.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Russia attacks my country

"You know, that's how they do it, they make Russia feel like the big bad enemy you have to fight against"

Lmao WHAT?!? If they're literally attacking my country then of course I'm fighting to defend it??

[-] arken@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

An important detail to notice here is that a user calling themselves kusimulkku is likely to be writing this from Finland. Which may result in an important difference of perspective.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

Finland is correct. Though I have no idea what sort of situation those other people assumed to warrant such a claim.

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[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Russia has always built itself as an enemy. You're dumb if you think it's just propaganda.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

If Russia attacks

Don't worry, we've got Sarah Palin on watch.

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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 40 points 7 months ago

Of course not. Millennials are too old and unless things kick off in the next couple years, gen z will be too.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

What are we calling the generation below them? I’m really losing track nowadays.

[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Gen A. They’re around middle school and younger now.

[-] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 70 points 7 months ago

A whole generation of Forest Gump's girlfriend?

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Hey. This is a great joke. Thanks.

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[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

Uhm, doofus, nobody's gonna fight in ww3.

Bombs get launched and we ALL die, that's how ww3 is faught.

It's frightening how little the younger generations understand about nuclear war.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 64 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There have been plenty of wars fought in the age of nuclear weapons that, strangely enough, have not resulted in the use of nuclear weapons. There's a few of them going on right now, in fact!

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[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Me looking at the handful of declassified missile defense sites and wondering what shit we have that isn't known.

Yeah.. it'll just be that simple Mr. Armchair General.

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[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

You'd be amazed what some good old fashion propaganda will do for you.

The US was so gung-ho after 9-11 they accidentally attacked the wrong country. I know they didn't have any problem getting troops or buy-in from the people of all ages. It was pretty disgusting how quickly your average citizen bought into the bull-shit the Bush administration was selling when it was obviously a lie.

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nah fuck ya'll Ima sign up if we have an enemy worth fighting for the first time in my life. I'll push the lines to Moscow, Beijing, idgaf: dictatorships will destroy us all if left unchecked, make life not worth living for everyone. The whole time I'm deployed I'm going to be using absentee ballots, and if I make it back I'm gonna use my new cred to run for office and fight the corporations, too.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 43 points 7 months ago

If you are in the US, you might wanna prevent your own dictatorship first.

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[-] Stanwich@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

As long as they are recruiting the dumbest and poorest from your failing high-schools you'll always have enough for your wars.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago

I'll defend my country, but I'm not going to engage in an armed conflict overseas.

IMO, as long as it's not directly threatening me and my life, then I will simply see another WW as old people who are angry at other old people, sending me off to die for their grudge.

No thanks chief. Stick me in prison if you're so inclined but I'm not about to kill some poor kid I've never met and I don't have anything against, just because you can't use your words.

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[-] tweeks@feddit.nl 28 points 7 months ago

The first gun they'll give me I'll aim at myself and be done with it.

[-] itslilith 42 points 7 months ago

You can aim it at your commanding officer first!

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[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 22 points 7 months ago

Millennial here. Can confirm, I'll be staying home and doing my own thing. One live isn't worth more then another and I'm not going to war. If you're going to put me in jail because I refuse, then maybe I need to find a different country to live in.

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[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago

My kid doesn't particularly want to fight, but she's ok with guns and convinced anarchy will be good for the environment?! Idk, she's not dumb, but these kids have less stake in the institutions than MAGA retirees..

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 7 months ago

Does she mean "anarchy" or Anarchism, a stateless classless society based on voluntary associations?

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[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 7 months ago

The fact they will never have the chance to enter the ownership class keeps manifesting in new and interesting ways in the media, at their jobs, in their schools, amongst their social circles. The decline in availability of material wealth destabilizes all.

Yall ever seen Daybreakers? It's kinda corny but it feels more relevant every day.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

convinced anarchy will be good for the environment

glances at Haiti's environment

I'm not feeling it.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Haiti was a slave rebellion that provoked the fear and ire of generations of wealth.

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[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

So...they are going to send gen x and gen alpha?

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 16 points 7 months ago

Hey if anyone’s a lawyer or knows what they’re talking about what’s the current consensus or constitutionality of conscription in the US? I think it’s illegal under the 13th amendment (which literally bans servitude AKA forced service) and the only court case I could find had the opinion of “well everyone else does it!”

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

If I remember my constitutional law classes correctly, conscription was canned after a series of Supreme Court cases where conscientious objectors successfully argued that under the 1st amendment they could not be made to serve. Since "religion" is very loosely defined in the US, pretty much anyone can claim that conscription violates their free exercise of a peace-loving religion.

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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 15 points 7 months ago

I would defect to the afterlife before fighting a war for this country.

[-] Elementalbeast@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Between propaganda and indecision, a whole generation will learn of conscription.

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago

When you show zero loyalty out, it's hard to get loyalty back.

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