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Why two commruleities? (piefed.blahaj.zone)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone to c/onehundredninetysix

Just noticed I was subscribed to both this place and 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone. I'd prefer if this community were on PieFed proper, so I thought maybe it's a replica of this one on PieFed... but it's not. They're both on the same server, but the numbers are actual numbers in the url instead of being spelled out. Huh?

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[-] Ratio_Tile 27 points 1 day ago

Like the others said, there's lore. Here's the basic outline of the events as I understood them:

  1. 196's mods, who were based in lemmy.World, get fed up with Ada's moderation here
  2. They lock 196 and make a post announcing they are moving to 196@lemmy.world.
  3. User base revolt
  4. One user makes one onehundredninetysix@blahaj.zone (here)
  5. The userbase floods this one. It becomes one of the most active comm on lemmy for several days.
  6. 196's mods reopen the blahaj comm and post an "apology" that pisses off the userbase
  7. Onehundrednineyysix becomes the main 196 comm out of spite.

Over time, things have cooled. People who weren't around for the drama have started posting on the original one. It's part of the fediverse lore now

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago

Haha gotcha. Thank you for the explanation

[-] strawberry_enjoyer42 4 points 22 hours ago

I thank thee for thy service, o learnéd one.

[-] erotador 36 points 1 day ago

two separate communities. the original one on this server was locked and moved to lemmy.world, this community was made in response, due to the move being rather unpopular with blahaj.zone users. the original was reopened some time later but this one seems to attract more users nowdays.

[-] applebusch 15 points 1 day ago

i still laugh that the lemmy.world version is so much less popular despite being on a much larger instance

[-] hildegarde 6 points 1 day ago

Of course the trans instance one will be bigger. Transgender people make the best posters because we're too dysphoric to go outside!

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

That's fucking great lol

But if they were gonna move instances why not switch wholeheartedly to PieFed?

[-] TotallynotJessica 7 points 1 day ago

I don't think piefed was as relevant back then (I'm not sure piefed.blahaj.zone even existed). Besides, blahaj's piefed instance is run by the same admins as the lemmy instance, so there'd be there'd be no benefit to them switching.

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

I mean, Lemmy devs are what springs to mind, but yeah, I get ur point.

[-] TotallynotJessica 2 points 16 hours ago

Despite the Lemmy devs being annoying tankies, at least their software has mostly remained ideologically neutral. Piefed has too many of rimu's opinions baked into it, and that's always rubbed me the wrong way. His allyship with trans people feels so conditional, and it often seems like he genuinely doesn't understand FOSS principles. I don't see him as a bigot, but I also don't feel safe on his platform.

If Lemmy's devs were half as ideological as Piefed's, it never would've gotten this far. My only hope is that the two platforms push each other to be better versions of themselves.

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

What opinions are baked into PieFed? Most of the things I see people complain about PieFed over are either non-issues or really petty, but maybe that's because I've seen tankies hate on it.

[-] TotallynotJessica 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Maybe another time I'll give a better explanation. I'm really tired and used all of my energy explaining why Shoe0nHead is a Nazi, so I'll be brief:

Rimu see Piefed as software that should only be used by certain people with certain ideologies, and institutes platform wide rules by default. One thing he won't tell you is that the toggle for these features were added after people complained, and users were given an error message rather than a notice for why they couldn't post. It wasn't as bad as the Tesseract client that shadowbanned without telling people, but mostly because he choose to take input and not to double down like that guy did. There's also the reputation score that dings you for posting memes (don't get me started)

It's also not just fascists and tankies that he has a problem with. Following anti anarchist Lemmy world drama, he escalated his own anti anarchist action and cast a wide net. After almost nobody sided with him, he took a break from public posting for a bit. He also really hates quokka for some reason, going so far as to try and fail to steal her code, despite the fact that it was voluntarily offered (I don't have a link for this rn, sorry)

Sorry I couldn't give better receipts. I should probably make a master document with all the lore one of these days.

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago

The last one us really nuts. I don't think "stupid" is a word getting upset over, but the person who brought it up was being very respectful and his response... Yikes.

The middle one sounds bad but I'll need to look into it a bit more in order to have a strong opinion. I think its irresponsible to claim all anarchists bad though, even if you generally dislike the ideology.

The first one is what I see all the time and I'm sorry I just don't get it. The guy lays out the things he doesn't want to give credence to, which seem reasonable to me, and has places that sympathize with those things, such as authoritarianism, filtered out by default. I don't think it should be hardcoded now or in the future, but its not like he's hiding it either. You linked to a page where he explains it for all to see. It doesn't come across as slight of hand. That's not to say everything is fine so long as the person doing it says they're doing it, but I wouldn't want dictator apologists in my circle either if I could help it.

Just re-read a bit and saw ppl were given generic error messages. Yeah, not cool. I'm really conflicted over all. Idk what this guy's deal is.

[-] TotallynotJessica 1 points 4 hours ago

He really wants piefed to be his personal domain, not a FOSS project to serve the fedi community. Even if I agreed with every feature, I still think these things should be up to the instance admins, not the platform developers. Him being so hostile and petty towards anarchists wouldn't be as big of a deal if he didn't want to police behavior on more than just his instance.

I ultimately don't think he's a bigot or some horrible, irredeemable person. He is stubborn and his own worst enemy, but I really do want piefed to be the best version of itself. Beyond any problems with developers, piefed introduced needed features to this side of the fediverse, which encouraged Lemmy developers to add them to their own platform. Piefed's existence is a good thing, but that doesn't mean I want to use it. I don't want to make you hate it, just help you understand why it isn't a clear cut successor to Lemmy.

[-] rarWars 16 points 1 day ago

There was a split between the two due to a moderation controversy a while back. This is the main one now.

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