Checks out, there is clearly more IQ under the middle of the graph.
Ah, this is the plot of the integral of IQ.
Edit: + c
The centrists took a detour around the part where the IQ is
MAGA is moderate?
Everyone is moderate... in their own mind.
If you poll Democratic Party voters they will tell you they are moderate. If you poll them issue by issue most of them agree with Bernie Sanders, the most radical elected left-wing senator.
I think it stems from a profound lack of political education and decades of political propaganda. People think moderate means 'sensible' and radical means 'unreasonable'.
Of course most people think of themselves as 'sensible' or 'moderate'.
Everyone is moderate… in their own mind.
I'm not.
I was using hyperbole to make a point. You're not sensible?
I'm not a moderate either.
I’m not a moderate either.
Good. I hate those.
You're all individuals, you have minds of your own!
If you poll ~~Democratic Party~~ voters they will tell you they are moderate. If you poll them issue by issue most of them agree with Bernie Sanders, the most radical elected left-wing senator.
Let's be real here. Back before MAGA was a thing every Republican I knew, and I lived in the deep south so I knew a lot, liked Bernie. If the elite hadn't done everything in their power to kneecap him he would have swept in 2016 and we'd be living in a completely different world today.
My pet theory is that idiots subliminally think "centrist" means "central" as in "center of the universe" and it resonates for them. IME the stupidest people are also very self-centered.
To a """"centrist"""? Yes.
I'm far more bothered by the left being in the right and the right being on the left.
You think the fascists are ahead of the curve?
No one said your coordinate system needs to start on the left and point to the right. Whar if it started on the right and pointed to the left?
No no, anon's got a point
Average right wing extremist I've met:
Has never read a book, much less the Bible, despite being a fervent Christian.
Average left wing extremist I've met:
Has actually read books about leftist theory, is willing to debate and have their mind changed. The march I joined a few months ago was basically full of Political Science students from the local university.
Tl;dr: the bell curve up top is accurate, minus the Wojacks.
There is now a bigger shift where there are some very inept leftists whose dogma harms them (as the conservatives of the 70s/80s/90s).
As well many more well spoken conservatives in the last 10 years. However that benefit is starting to wane and they now have a brigade of social media rhetorist as intolerable as the left.
Could you cite something? I haven't seen any of this, and I'm very curious to see where it's coming from.
I see it on Reddit all the time. Leftists hurting their own arguments because they're repeating things that are just flat out wrong. Most people barely pay attention to the news, have no idea how our government works, and don't read books.
Leftist dogma hurts business. Nobody ever died from having a 2 day weekend or from being forced to work less than 40 hours a week
The bell curve part is fine. It's the correlation between IQ and political orientation that is not. One of the biggest fallacies in life is that being smart automatically makes you a good person. It does not, and it also does not determine your political affiliation.
This! If intelligence were to make you make good choices, intelligence agencies would have no employees.
I guess the curve here is iq is the vertical axis and political orientation is the horizontal axis.
All policies and political structures should be tested to see their influence on HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Whatever improves people's lives should be kept and whatever doesn't should be ignored. Why have beliefs when we can have knowledge.
why have beliefs when we can have knowledge
Do you know how hard people are to manipulate once they have knowledge? We can't go around informing people, it would be anarchy!
Because humans are storytellers, not scientist by nature. Better (and not necessary for plebeians) story, bigger impact. For example religions or money have diminished our freedom-loving characteristics to almost none-existence, but they sure are good concepts to knit us together to form a society.
There's a country that appoints leaders for 3-5 years, and then measures stuff like human health, gdp, poverty, and uses this information to determine where to assign them next, if at all.
What about the far-center?
The graph gains a z axis, in both directions you get an equally-incoherent far-center
I am gonna take a guess and say that he thinks y-axis is the IQ and x-axis is some other random variable like it is a scatter plot except it isn't.
isn't the x axis just political orienration? Probably represented 0-1 or 0-100 0 being right and 1 left of course.
Sad thing is that this is how most people view politics. This makes sprouts jump to the center when first engaging.
The right side of the graph is showing my imposter syndrome. The more I read the more I feel like I know nothing. Liberal me and SocDem me were a lot happier and definitely felt like they understood everything more.
Opium and the dunning-kruger effect will do that.
Do you currently feel like they understood everything more?
Being high iq is dumb
Most people are centrist, most people are average iq. It checks out
Most people are decidedly not centrist, at least not in modern developed countries with their famously polarised politics.
What Anon felt like after posting that:
Anon failed successfully
In whose fucking universe is MAGA considered a 'moderate right' position????
In a Nazi's mind.
I mean there definitely could be a chart that looks like this. But I doubt it does in this case. I'm almost curious to see what it would look like but I don't have that much respect for IQ as a measure of anything meaningful anyway. But my guess is there's probably not much difference between IQ across the political spectrum. Perhaps slightly increasing as you move left due to more educated people leaning left, and I would expect there would be some association between IQ and education.
For an example of something that looks like a normal distribution but really isn't:
IQ is a racist bullshit measure invented to exclude black people from the military and education. It's meaningless in all cases.
Yeah that's kind of what I was referring to.
Centrist is maga without red hat.
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