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Many international fans visiting the US for the World Cup have become frustrated by the culture of tipping servers, telling the BBC that tipping fatigue has set in.

England supporter Geoff Pryor said he understood tipping for good service, but he found it "weird" when buying a bottle of water and "they try to get a tip for doing nothing".

In the US, staff at some restaurants and bars are paid just over $2 (£1.50) an hour, and they expect customers to tip about 20% of the total cost of the bill so they can earn a living.

Frustrations have also been shared by hospitality staff, with one bar owner telling the BBC that many World Cup tourists have been bad tippers.

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[-] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 7 points 5 hours ago

Fuck this is a difficult one.

Tipping culture is a throwback to slavery times and is very typical of the predatory nature that exists within employment in the US. The position that customers need to pay a tip because the server needs a liveable wage that isn’t covered by employers and built into law is essentially being held hostage due to an unfair system.

That said, waitstaff depend on this for a liveable wage and by not paying the tip, you’re denying that worker fair income. It’s not their fault directly, it’s the system they are under.

Looking from the outside, it comes back to the same thing; the reluctance of Americans to engage in building a decent society by collectively voting to build that, rather than voting or even not voting at all to take care of themselves. Again, it’s another case of ‘you get out what you put in’. A 60% voter turnout reflects the quality of what’s been elected and makes it easy for bad actors to get what they want, especially when their base does turn out.

To get those things, they need to at least vote and vote for people who will give them the things they want like legislated, decent wages. Sometimes it also means some hardship or compromise. Here, that means wait staff would be giving up the potential of big tips for the benefit of decent wages and perhaps healthcare.

Personally? Of course I’d tip them; I’m in Rome so I’d do as the Romans do and I’m aware that's their income. I’d also feel like I was held hostage by a shithouse, predatory system brought about by Americans lack of care for their own people though.

[-] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 16 points 9 hours ago

Welcome to the wage slave states of America! Hopefully you get out before you find out how much I.C.E. costs here. Ha!

Seriously don’t come here if you value your safety or your possessions.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 hours ago

It is completely out of control. I have been asked to tip at self operated vending machines. WTF?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 24 points 9 hours ago

That's because vending machines aren't actually paid at all and rely entirely on tips. Little known fact.

[-] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

Damn. What a heartless bastard I am.

[-] lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago
[-] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 9 points 8 hours ago

You think that's bad? We have ads on our gas pump handles and a 'donation' question everytime we use a pos

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

My favorite thing I saw recently in relation to tipping - was this sign at a restaurant about what the minimum wage was and encouraging tipping.

I'm assuming that sign was put up or at least tacitly endorsed by the management.

It's almost as if they don't have any agency over what they pay their own workers and they are then shaming customers into making up the difference? WTF?

[-] ne0n@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Of course it was. Tipping is a scam by business owners to have customers pay wages so they don’t have to.

[-] tigermountain@lemmy.world 24 points 13 hours ago

It's been known for some time that many of those from outside the US are unfamiliar with our tipping culture. I was a waiter in a nice restaurant in '96 when the Olympics were in Atlanta. We had lots of large parties that we added a 20% gratuity to, and clearly indicated on the check and no one complained. But normally the only place you encountered tipping then was in a sit-down restaurant with waiters. Now there's a thousand and one places where you're encouraged to tip. Even places where it's only counter service and you're supposed to put money in a tip jar when you pay the cashier. It's all over the place and it's completely ridiculous and out of hand. Americans hate it. It's no wonder our guests are confused and pissed off.

[-] michel@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

There are a few restaurants I have been to in the US that actually pay living wages and say tipping is optional. When the service is really good and you insist you want to tip they are generally over the moon.

[-] justaman123@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I'm so torn about tipping culture, on the one hand it's bosses not paying workers as much as they deserve, on the other hand it's one job where workers can earn better than the cost of living doing a low skilled job. I also fully believe that anywhere there is a tip jar that gets pooled between workers there's someone in management skimming off the top.

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[-] aarch0x40@piefed.social 115 points 16 hours ago

Let's fix this headline.

American's Confused By Fair Wage Practices of Civilized Countries

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Which American?

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Ci... Civ... Civ-il... Civil-i? Civil-iz? Civil rights? CIVIL RIGHTS COUNTRIES?! Does your country's ICE know about this???

[-] Babalugats@feddit.uk 48 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Frustrations have also been shared by hospitality staff, with one bar owner telling the BBC that many World Cup tourists have been bad tippers.

Should read:

Frustrations have also been shared by hospitality staff, with one bar owner telling the BBC that many World Cup tourists have been making staff aware that I and other businesses are bad employers.

[-] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

If you need to pay, it's posted on the menu and appears on the bill. If not, too bad.

[-] huey_m@reddthat.com 4 points 9 hours ago

I will once again point out tipping isn't unique to the US. In my part of central Europe, tipping at restaurants with service is absolutely expected. Also for things like delivery, cabs, barbers, etc. You can often even tip delivery drivers right in the app.

I'll also point out these same people will talk about how America has such huge portions for the price. So, when in Rome do as the Romans do, and tip while realizing that's part of why the portions are cheap for the dollar. Or at least stop kvetching about Americans not abiding by local customs if you aren't willing to do the same.

(Yes, paying a better wage would be better. No, you not tipping is not actual making change to that effect, you're just excusing yourself. Legislation is the only thing that will fix that. Systemic problems need systemic solutions).

[-] SanitationStation@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Paying for the service is fine.

But I would prefer to see the amount I'm expected to pay before I choose to purchase that product or service.

I know I can bust out the calculator, but that feels pretty annoying.

[-] Spooge@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

You take you logic and experience and get the fuck out! We're circlejerkin in here!

[-] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 14 hours ago

Im an American and I tip because it's how servers get paid in the US.

I've also been to other countries where restaurants just, ya know, pay their employees.

It's not complicated. Just give your employees money in exchange for their labor. Somehow other countries just pay their employees and amazingly they still have restaurants and bars.

[-] Argon@tardigram.com 4 points 10 hours ago

That's how they get paid but that's also how they are extorted on every service and that's another way to evade taxes.

Because of that US tiping isn't culture, is a crime. At least in the EU.

[-] Anarki_ 64 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Well if you travel to the US for the World Cup you're either ignorant as fuck or you like the direction they're going and want to sponsor it.

You chose to go. Stay and suffer or leave and get better.

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago

Outlaw tipping? Make it socially embarrassing and shameful to accept a tip? Make tipping in America like tipping in Japan?

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 13 hours ago

Top do that you'd need to guarantee tip earning workers a minimum wage and raise the minimum wage so someone can actually survive with it.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 25 points 15 hours ago

Just remember, tipping is optional. Don’t feel like you need to be guilted into doing it.

[-] jaaake@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

In the US you're not breaking any laws by not tipping servers at a restaurant/bar, you're just being a dick.

In this capitalist hellscape, the minimum wage laws do not apply to restaurant/bar servers. Since these laws do not apply, it has become industry standard to not pay them based on their hourly wage, but on their predicted amount of tips. In most cases, this means paying them below minimum wage and their tips make up the difference. Not tipping does not affect the business and the people who control the business will not give a fuck. The only person you're harming or sending a message to is the worker, the wage slave.

This is supremely fucked up and there should be legislation to prevent it. It's difficult for fair business owners to compensate for this issue on their own because it means increasing menu prices by 20% and having clear messaging that explains why their prices are higher and that you should not tip. This is an extreme oddity and I (as someone who lives in a major city and eats out most meals) have only encountered it twice.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago

So, just like a general strike, if people stopped tipping in masses it would have a profound downstream effect that would force change. But instead the owner class keeps the people fighting and subsidizing each other.

[-] jaaake@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Yes. If people stopped tipping in masses, it would have a profound effect. In order to do that, you need to build up a movement large enough to gain attention. That's going to take time. All of the time that it takes to do so, you're actively harming people who usually have skills that are difficult to transfer to another industry. You have to convince a lot of other people to do harm with you in order to make a difference. It's a tough ask. This method, if successful, has an eventual benefit, but the cost of that benefit is difficult to justify, especially considering that success is both not guaranteed and requires participation on an unprecedented scale.

[-] Jiral@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Are companies breaking the law by paying below minimum wage or are the laws useless? In both cases people that are not tipping are not the problem.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 10 hours ago

In most of the US, there is a separate, much lower minimum wage for tipped workers.

[-] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

And there you have the problem.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 16 points 14 hours ago

In the US servers cannot make anywhere near a living wage without it. It's a catch 22 and either legislation or businesses adopting policies is the only way to break it. One off opt outs are just futile protests at the expense of workers.

[-] Argon@tardigram.com 3 points 10 hours ago

Maybe business owners can pay full wages, advertise full prices, and pay full taxes, but you and I know that's not going to happen in USA.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Agree it's really unlikely. We are dug in very deep with this. As these businesses start to get more aggressive with hidden fees and tip inflation I do think more people are getting fed up with it though. There may be some opportunity for political attention and legislative change. But yeah, it's pretty damn silly to be optimistic about much of anything in a shit hole country like the US.

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[-] homes@piefed.world 51 points 18 hours ago

We don’t pay our workers, lol. That’s on you!

[-] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 33 points 18 hours ago

Don't worry American citizens are also confused by the expensive tipping culture in the US. I still maintain 15% for a good job, 10% for a mediocre job, 5% for anything below. Giving above 15% is just subsidizing the pay the employer should be giving. It's a symptom of the fact that wages have stagnated for over 50 years. The pay that once supported someone and even a child is now far below the poverty line for even an individual. So instead of increasing pay to match what it once was many businesses have turned to aggressive tipping over just increasing the prices of their service / products.

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