If you don't like tipping culture, don't screw the worker while inconveniencing the restaurant not at all. Boycott the restaurants unless they pay fair wages. Go to the grocery store. Plenty of good meals to be found there.
If a waiter does not make enough in tips for minimum wage, the businesses is legally required to cover the difference. So let's stop with the guilt trip. Part of the problem stems from the same servers that oppose doing away with the tip system because they make so much more from it.
Ha.
I've served plenty of time in the food service industry and I can tell you that the number of restaurants who actually "make up the difference" to minimum wage in the absence of tips is zero. Even though it's a legal requirement, I've never set foot in a restaurant that actually does this.
No one tracks cash tips. And yes, the servers like it that way. Because cash tips are money under the table and they're not taxed. But your boss ain't paying you jack shit over that $2.13 an hour because who is going to prove it?
But that requires a personal inconvenience instead of feeling good while saving money.
that's just moving the responsibility to the masses as usual
As much as I hate tipping (I also don't get paid extra money for simply doing my fucking job), it is different in third world countries like the USA (a large country in north america, close to Canada and Mexico), which lacks fundamental human rights and a social security system. There, waiters in restaurants usually need tips for earning a living wage as restaurant owners do not or barely pay them. Therefore, tipping is not only polite but also necessary to not additionally punish workers for a system they are barely responsible for. Let's hope that civilised countries start development projects in the USA in order to improve the system and living conditions of these people.
Political change is difficult as the USA is stuck in a quasi-democratic two-party system that is currently developing towards a dictatorship. But maybe through enough time and effort we can help this country and it's people to get on a better track.
I'm sure workers get paid minimum regardless. Tips are a way for the employer to pay sub-minimum wage, as long as they add up above minimum wage in the end.
- Company refuses pay worker enough. Expects tips to cover the gap.
- World Cup visitors refuse to tip. Says company should pay more.
- Worker gets f*cked over from both ends.
- Company still gets their money so they going give a f*ck.
- World Cup visitors get to feel self-righteous.
- Worker is still f*cked over, can’t pay their rent or buy groceries.
Seems like you’re just being cheap assholes to me. A couple idioms come to mind:
- two wrongs don’t make a right.
- when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
You stopped too soon.
- Workers can't live off the low wages and have to quit and find other employment
- Company can't hire anyone willing to be paid a non-liveable wage
- Company has to decide to change or close
I am not saying the workers are at fault. But their participation is part of the problem.
What a stupid take lol. They're literally advocating for higher wages.
America has entered the smug European fucking over the locals phase of being a third world country
A tip is meant to be "Here's an extra $10, I know you're already getting paid a living wage, but you went above and beyond and were the star show the show, you deserve it." That's not what we have in the USA, we have some broken tipped minimum wage that makes it feel like an obligation. It's broken.
It’s also the same in Canada. The tipping has also been in fast-food and other stores, and I’ve just been saying “skip” every time. Like, food’s expensive enough these days without tipping someone who hasn’t even gone out from behind the counter and who will, quite possibly, not even see the tip.
There's lots to unpack here.
- In at least the west coast states, tipped workers do not make a lower wage.
- I'm not aware of any successful restaurants in the U.S. who have higher prices eliminating tipping and pay their staff a salary. Every instance I've seen of this fails.
- Servers make more money under a tipping culture over a set wage. They'd rather have tipping.
I'm not defending tipping as the way it should be, only that this is the way it is. Any one coming over to the US and not tipping to "make a statement" isn't hurting the restaurants, they're hurting the workers. And while we rightly expect US tourists to respect the customs of countries to which they travel, we should also expect the same of tourists to the US, at least those customs that affect the workers.
These tourists will "make a statement" for these couple of weeks, giving business/money to the restaurants but none to the staff, then leave and nothing will have changed except the bank account balances of the staff. If they wanted to make a statement, they'd seek out restaurants which already more closely aligned with their position.
I’m not aware of any successful restaurants in the U.S. who have higher prices eliminating tipping and pay their staff a salary. Every instance I’ve seen of this fails.
Of course. Practically every other restaurant in USA is charging much lower prices with their much lower wages.
Remove that from the equation (make them all pay actual human wages for people so that they can live in houses and so forth), and no restaurant in USA can do that. Problem solved.
Somehow, restaurants ALL OVER THE EARTH can stay open without tipping.
Figure it out
Fun fact: These states require tippable workers to be paid the full minimum wage:
- Alaska
- California
- Guam
- Minnesota
- Nevada
- Oregon
Source: Department of Labor - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
Before you say this is great, remember that those people willingly traveled to the US for a fascist event.
Any way the US could keep them?
If you can’t tip, don’t go to the restaurant or bar. Those workers depend on their tips. And the restaurant or bar isn’t just gonna make up the difference for the server just because you decided not to tip.
Those Europeans are being dicks.
Here in Europe people who work in bars and restaurants get paid at least the minimum wage. They don't get paid just a few pounds or Euros an hour with the employer making it up from tips. In fact that's actually illegal to do throughout the EU and UK.
Tip your servers and bartenders or go to McDonald’s. Don’t be rude while you’re a guest.
Make your capitalists pay their workers what they are worth, it's rude to milk the guests for something you should have done ages ago.
Look, I see the sentiment and I get it, but putting up with the absolute bullshit that is the US tip system is horrendous.
I'm not surprised many europeans aren't doing it, it's stupid and they are probably confused why they are being asked to tip like 20%
That whole tipping culture needs to go. It's infecting parts of Europe as well. It's a disease.
This is hilarious. If you thought the American capitalists were greedy, pig headed assholes who smugly step on anyone they perceive to be under them while acting like they are helping them, here come the European football fans.
This is a race to the bottom of capitalist assholes trying to get one back on America by further exploiting their proles.
What a gross thing to be proud of!
I appreciate america-dunking as much as everyone but are we really going to pretend that there is no exploitation in the service industry in Europe?
EDIT: PS, if you want to actually do something beyond smugly complaining, put your money where your mouth is:
- https://secure.actblue.com/donate/unite-here / https://unitehere.org/
- https://sbworkersunited.org/ upper right, button for donation: https://www.paypal.com/ncp/payment/5AFGEN89WKKCN
Any system with an owner vs worker dynamic is exploitative, the US just provides a masterclass example of it.
Self-righteous euro-trash deprive workers of pay they know the workers deserve, in order to stick it to management, who is unaffected by this action. Great work, guys, way to attack the victims of a bad system by making whipping boys of them, I'm sure that their bosses rolling in money from all the extra business are VERY upset. What a bunch of assholes. I'm sure these same pieces of animated fecal matter get upset when tourists to their countries ignore all the local customs and mistreat the workers.
Cool, I'll remember that next time I hear Europeans say that Americans tourists are rude and disrespect others countries cultural norms.
We love anti worker Europeans.
I never before thought about FIFA bringing attention to social issues but think about it, the book the spotlight on Qatar, and now the United States, they should probably go to North Korea next.
They're just gonna go to wherever is corrupt enough to give them the biggest kickback.
When I went to Japan I didn't tip because it was rude.
If I'll go to USA I won't tip unless I want to because expecting tips is rude.
and they call themselves a first world country....
I'm surprised europeans even go to USA... with ICE arresting anyone who looks at them funny...
Also - I think people should do what they want in this specific matter. USA is supposedly "land of the free" so as long as there is no official government-mandated tip amount, tipping 0$ is as good as any tip amount. Tipping is as much of a cultural thing as the tax level, that is - none.
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