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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 month ago

That'll show those service workers for working in the US.

Don't get me wrong I fucking hate tipping culture so much and am eternally grateful that I don't live in the US but who are you really punishing here?

[-] normanwall@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago

In the current system it will not change unless it is forced by things like this or progressive policies. You want them to just keep it going how it is?

World cup is too short term to change it, will have to be slow policy push for minimum wages.

[-] Catoblepas 37 points 1 month ago

If you want people to strike then support them, misleading them into thinking you’re going to be paying them for their time and labor (tipping is expected in the US, which is why in many states it’s legal to pay servers barely more than $2/hour) is just a dick move. Or just be upfront with them and tell them you’re not going to be tipping and get served accordingly. Or go to a place where non-tipped workers are employed. There are a lot of options that aren’t ‘shit on someone working for $2/hour and tell them it’s for their own good’.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I begrudgingly tip, but usually 10-15%, like it used to be. I don't buy into the current bullshit narrative of driving up the expected percentages, especially as prices rise as it is. Some might say I'm still an asshole for NoT pAyInG tHeM eNoUgH, but so be it.

So many tipped workers fight to keep being abused in this way, and I don't reward that, even if I support these post-slavery practices through cultural guilt alone.

[-] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

As soon as the “no tax on tips” passed my baseline tip dropped 5%.

What about the cooks? Hostess? Other back of house staff?

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[-] notabot@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

Asking from a place of genuinely not knowing; are there a reasonable number of places where non-tipped workers are employed in this sort of sector? If so, it might be really handy to put together a list, so people can more easily make the choice to go there, rather than stiffing staff who need the tips to survive.

[-] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

It’s going to vary wildly as to who is paired expecting to be tipped and who isn’t.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

You're not going to change the fundamentally broken culture of the US by punishing a few service workers. We're not talking about the current system being good or whether or not it should change, we're talking about a bunch of tourists refusing to tip.

[-] Abedtime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I mean it's not an individual act here, it's starting to look like collective action. A mass boycott of tipping would force a crisis where workers walk out en masse. Euros are giving Yanks the push they need to build on this, with unions, a collective organization, strike funds. This is the only path towards tipping abolition, a relic of class oppression and a mechanism by which capitalists shift wage costs onto consumers, esp disgusting when we know attractive or white servers often receive more than equally skilled counterparts, deepening racial and gender pay gaps and fosters a power imbalance that enables harassment: 74% of female servers in the U.S. have experienced sexual harassment, often tolerated because their income depends on pleasing the customer.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, actually. Waiting tables is one of the few, ubiquitous jobs you can get without higher education that has a reasonable chance to pay well.

This flight against tipping is crab mentality. You're not doing them any favors, you're just going to lower their wage to $18/hr flat, with no healthcare and still shitty part-time hours, and some corpo is gonna pocket the difference.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 month ago

Servers in USA don't get 18.00 flat, usually.

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[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

"things like this" don't contribute to changing it all though it doesn't matter when the owner still gets theirs thats all they care about.

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[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 37 points 1 month ago

Workers in Europe weren't handed the rights they have, in some cases people literally died fighting for them. The only tip I have for American service workers is "unionize".

[-] EggInDisguise 12 points 1 month ago

Lmao you think we were handed this? We've been fighting for our rights to unionize for literally decades on end. Our government works with companies to literally kill us if we don't go back to work. Men women and children have died fighting for the rights we DO have.

Fuck off with this "you're only getting this because you aren't trying hard enough to unionize" bullshit. Our rights have been bled for by hundreds of thousands over the years.

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

Our rights have been bled for by hundreds of thousands over the years.

Exactly, so honour the people that paid for your rights with their blood, and fight your exploiter instead of picking fights with other workers.

[-] Catoblepas 4 points 1 month ago

And that’s why it’s moral for me to mislead someone who is paid $2/hour into serving me for money I’m not going to give them 😌

Sure is telling that nobody who thinks this will tell their server upfront they’re not tipping, lmao

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whose misleading who? I would say that in this case, it would be the people that are not up front about the expected price of a service.

If tipping is required up front, then include it in the prices (and I don't mean as an half hidden fee tacked on the announced prices like American businesses started doing).

American service workers are putting the blame on the wrong people, the only ones scamming them are their bosses.

[-] Catoblepas 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I would say that in this case, it would be the people that are not up front about the expected price of a service.

So when an employer is misleading you the correct response is to short change the underpaid employee, who will have it come out of their inconsistent, unreliable pay? Can’t relate.

And you’re absolutely misleading the worker when you come to a place where tipping is expected and then don’t tip. They aren’t being nice to you and paying attention because they’re so enthralled by you, it’s because you’re expected to pay them. If you aren’t, say so.

[-] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Don't make excuses, try harder.

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[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You think American workers haven't suffered and died fighting for their rights? I know this information is not exactly front and center in history books for reasons of shame and intentional obfuscation, but American worker rights history is stained in blood just as yours is.

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago
[-] Trail@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

For many reasons.

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 17 points 1 month ago

If the servers don't get tips anymore, they might simply strike for a living wage. The current system just makes servers even more dependent with every single tip that replaces what should be a wage. Somethings gotta give, it's not the workers, and the bosses wont budge without pressure, so even if it's hard, it might be the only way something really changes for the better.

[-] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

They aren't going to strike from this event. Wait staff don't have insurance or savings. Restaurant owners can't afford to pay living wages with benefits; the margins are razor-thin as-is.

[-] Abedtime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Have you never heard of strike funds? If service workers can't even pay rent they're going to strike and walk out, breeding a crisis that will make tipping culture untenable.

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[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

The problem is the workers who get tips generally like it because they can potentially make a lot more than a comparable fixed wage. On a good night you can make several times over the base wage, and under-report cash tips on your taxes (or omit them entirely, but the IRS might catch that).

So a lot of workers don't want tipping to go away any more than the restaurant owners do.

[-] Fluke@feddit.uk 22 points 1 month ago

Then they also have to deal with people who see through the shenanigans and refuse to tip. Fuck em.

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

But base wage for those positions is also significantly lower than minimum wage because the tips are expected to compensate for it, so the ceiling is higher but the floor is also lower. So refusing to tip at all does kind of make you out to be the asshole.

Unfortunately most people are just trying to survive and don't really have the time or the energy to worry about the bigger picture.

Personally, I just split the difference and refuse to tip anywhere it's not already factored into the wage structure. It's not gonna change the situation but at least it helps hold the line.

[-] Fluke@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago

Unionise and change the situation, or lose. I'm not paying money I can't spare because people refuse to help themselves. I repeat, fuck em.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

That doesn't make you some champion of the working man, it makes you a cheap asshole. You are taking advantage of their labor more than the restaurant owner.

Advocate for change, absolutely. Refuse to patronize restaurants that expect/require tipping. I'd even say it's fair to stop buying into the tip-inflation (15% used to be standard, then 18, now 20+), that's fair, stick to 15%.

Hell, since at most restaurants you pay after the meal, why even pay that? After all, you knew there's a cost before you had the meal but "you can't spare it." I'm serious, you wan't to make a point, leaving a note that says "pay your staff better" and no cash makes a stronger statement than simply not tipping.

[-] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Living in the UK, I easily avoid giving any such slave driver my money.

I'm simply explaining why the rest of the world isn't like the US, workers collectively fought for rights, simple as that. Either get on with changing it, or keep complaining about being stiffed (while pocketing off the books income in a lot of cases). Shrug

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

This discussion is about Europeans coming to the US and giving money to the restaurants themselves (the slave drivers) but not tipping the staff (the slaves). Absolutely support a decision to protest such a system by not patronizing it; but patronizing it but not tipping is just cheap. You’re not some savior of workers rights, you’re a cheap asshole. That is a harsh truth you need to come to terms with.

[-] Abedtime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Collective action against tipping isn't individual action against tipping tbf. Just needs yanks to build on this and push further to break down this shitty culture that only holds because consumers accept it.

[-] Catoblepas 2 points 1 month ago

So be upfront and tell them you won’t be tipping, and get the service you’re paying for.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Shouldn't servers tell the customers how much service they should expect based on the amount they plan to give in that case then?

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[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 10 points 1 month ago

Those workers are the equivalent of scabs, even if they don't realize it and don't have bad intentions.

[-] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

Let's say all customers just stop tipping, then the workers will be forced to find another job if the restaurants don't start paying a living wage?

[-] kayohtie@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago

Because they're definitely in a job they need tips to survive in due to the availability of other jobs that don't.

[-] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Yep the the American job market is fucked, and it will be painful to change it especially when the people in charge are paid by the oligarchs.

One less painful way of moving away from tipping culture would be something like this: gradually increasing the base salary for workers, as I recall the minimum wage is below $3 for tipped staff. And then gradually decreasing the maximum allowed tip.

But the problem is: Show me a single state where the politicians would agree and then have the balls to go through with it while the oligarchs and supreme court will do everything in their power to keep the status quo.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

The restaurant will be forced to start paying a living wage or it won't have any waitstaff left.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Restaurants usually take the latter option. I’ve been to plenty of places that are down to the owner cooking and his wife serving, no hired staff at all.

Restaurants are never gonna pay more to the staff than they collect for meals sold. Most of the restaurant’s income (if they aren’t a fancy place that sells a lot of alcohol) goes toward paying for food, rent, and utilities.

[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 10 points 1 month ago

Yea, the thing I don't get about the "if I don't tip the workers will unionize" crowd is that they can just not go to tipping establishments or just eat takeout. You don't have to basically steal labor from the workers. If you think "them making less money is better for the market" then just don't make them work for you and refuse to pay what is expected. Boycotting tipping establishments would help, but that doesn't get people free/less expensive stuff so they don't do that.

Even if I take them in the best faith possible, they're just exploiting the workers themselves and blaming the workers for their exploitation. In that situation they basically take the place of the bosses saying "if you want a raise go work somewhere else".

I also hate tipping culture, but it's so rude to go to another country (during a rise in fascism no less!) and act like by not following their norms you're having any effect on the culture other than making yourself look like bad.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I'm being punished by being forced to tip.

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago

Seriously. This is literally the kind of thing y'all call us "entitled" for.

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