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[-] normanwall@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago

In the current system it will not change unless it is forced by things like this or progressive policies. You want them to just keep it going how it is?

World cup is too short term to change it, will have to be slow policy push for minimum wages.

[-] Catoblepas 37 points 1 month ago

If you want people to strike then support them, misleading them into thinking you’re going to be paying them for their time and labor (tipping is expected in the US, which is why in many states it’s legal to pay servers barely more than $2/hour) is just a dick move. Or just be upfront with them and tell them you’re not going to be tipping and get served accordingly. Or go to a place where non-tipped workers are employed. There are a lot of options that aren’t ‘shit on someone working for $2/hour and tell them it’s for their own good’.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I begrudgingly tip, but usually 10-15%, like it used to be. I don't buy into the current bullshit narrative of driving up the expected percentages, especially as prices rise as it is. Some might say I'm still an asshole for NoT pAyInG tHeM eNoUgH, but so be it.

So many tipped workers fight to keep being abused in this way, and I don't reward that, even if I support these post-slavery practices through cultural guilt alone.

[-] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

As soon as the “no tax on tips” passed my baseline tip dropped 5%.

What about the cooks? Hostess? Other back of house staff?

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Aren't back of house staff generally making minimum wage, not server wage? That's what I had the one place I worked for a bit.

[-] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

That’s my point.

[-] notabot@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

Asking from a place of genuinely not knowing; are there a reasonable number of places where non-tipped workers are employed in this sort of sector? If so, it might be really handy to put together a list, so people can more easily make the choice to go there, rather than stiffing staff who need the tips to survive.

[-] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

It’s going to vary wildly as to who is paired expecting to be tipped and who isn’t.

[-] Catoblepas 1 points 1 month ago

Generally no fast food workers are tipped, it’s restaurant/bar only. And restaurants that don’t allow tips will generally advertise it. Off the top of my head I don’t know of any chains that don’t do tipping, but I also don’t eat out much.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

You're not going to change the fundamentally broken culture of the US by punishing a few service workers. We're not talking about the current system being good or whether or not it should change, we're talking about a bunch of tourists refusing to tip.

[-] Abedtime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I mean it's not an individual act here, it's starting to look like collective action. A mass boycott of tipping would force a crisis where workers walk out en masse. Euros are giving Yanks the push they need to build on this, with unions, a collective organization, strike funds. This is the only path towards tipping abolition, a relic of class oppression and a mechanism by which capitalists shift wage costs onto consumers, esp disgusting when we know attractive or white servers often receive more than equally skilled counterparts, deepening racial and gender pay gaps and fosters a power imbalance that enables harassment: 74% of female servers in the U.S. have experienced sexual harassment, often tolerated because their income depends on pleasing the customer.

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

"things like this" don't contribute to changing it all though it doesn't matter when the owner still gets theirs thats all they care about.

[-] Abedtime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Only collective action can contribute to changing this, this is a start. Up to Yanks to carry on which will create a crisis where workers strike.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, actually. Waiting tables is one of the few, ubiquitous jobs you can get without higher education that has a reasonable chance to pay well.

This flight against tipping is crab mentality. You're not doing them any favors, you're just going to lower their wage to $18/hr flat, with no healthcare and still shitty part-time hours, and some corpo is gonna pocket the difference.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 month ago

Servers in USA don't get 18.00 flat, usually.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No, they don't. But they usually do better than that now, with a free exceptions.

For the record the $2.13 min wage is bullshit either way. When the min wage is under $10 we don't need a special exemption for servers.

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