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submitted 2 months ago by Teknevra to c/queer_defense_front

Over the past month, California Governor Gavin Newsom has been making headlines for all the right reasons: he's led an effort to respond to Texas Republicans' push to further gerrymander their state, used his profile to pressure Border Patrol and ICE, and found a very effective-and hilarious-way to get under Trump's skin through his Press Office's parodies of the president's writing style. All of these actions have catapulted him to national stardom, where he's taken on the role of leading the fight against the Trump administration.

However, to the trans community, his rise only brings fear. Because before these developments, he was trying to win over potential voters in a very different way: by abandoning the LGBTQ+ community.

In the United States, California has long had a reputation. And not just for its stereotyped sunny weather, surfer culture, and affluent, snobby culture, but for its liberal politics as well. California Democrats are synonymous-especially in more Republican-leaning areas-with the liberal style of politics conservatives detest. It's so difficult to overcome that despite California's large population and plethora of Democratic figures with a national profile, of the three presidents from California, none of them have been Democrats.

Evidently, Newsom is facing an uphill battle. So he's set off to appear more palatable to conservatives, starting with LGBTQ+ issues. Beginning in 2024, he started attempting to suppress pro-LGBTQ+ bills while they were still in the legislature in order to keep him from having to either veto them-losing progressives-or sign them-angering conservatives. Then, he went public with his new opinions during a conversation with Charlie Kirk on his podcast earlier this year, calling trans athletes' participation in girls' and women's sports 'deeply unfair.' And more recently, he signalled he changed his stance on gender-affirming care for minors as well.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 months ago

Just remember Newsom is a wealthy American politician. He isn't you're friend. He isn't you're cool different kind of politician politician. He's a corporate backed mouthpiece for interests that aren't yours. You can view him as a necessary evil, but don't forget the evil part.

[-] WishBoneThugaNHarmony@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress.

[-] neuracnu 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't let my human rights get in the way of your progress.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 10 points 2 months ago

Help move the Overton window left or it will keep moving right.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Correct you do this by rejecting gavin and those like him who are false friends.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

How well did that go when Kamala was a cop? When Hillary was a corporate lib?

It's possible to support someone for the good things they do and criticize them for the bad. But if you won't do the former then the latter is meaningless.

The left is full of as many simple-minded black-and-white thinkers as the right. Our problem is that the dimwits on the right fall in line and the dimwits on the left cut their nose to spite their face.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

😂 imagine using the two least popular candidates in the last 30 years as your position's defense.

It worked out exactly like you'd expect they lost. Surprise!

If you don't like it stop voting for shitty candidates like gavin and biden.

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. When none of us have any rights left it won't even matter anymore. I understand the need to draw this line and stick to it and we should not overlook his treatment of transgender people, but the fact of the matter is we don't really get to pick and choose our allies right now. Personally, I have never liked the guy and never will, but he's at least fucking trying to do something while other politicians bend over or stick their head in the sand and wait for someone else to do something.

[-] piefood@feddit.online 9 points 2 months ago

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy. If someone is willing to sell out one group of people, they are also willing to sell out other groups.

And Newsome has been very clear that he's willing to sell out multiple groups of people.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

Here's the thing with US presidential elections: either the Democratic or Republican candidate will take office. It's not right, it's not good, but it's true. If you want the candidate you want to win the election, you need to get that candidate nominated by one of those two parties. Primaries matter.

Once the primaries are over, you need to vote for the candidate you prefer out of those two. Voting outside of those two, or not at all, gives your electoral support to the candidate you don't want to win.

Yes, you may well be forced to choose between bad and worse. But that's the choice you have. To be clear, I really don't want Newsom to rise for all sorts of reasons. However, I can't deny that his tactics against Trump right now are brilliant, and taking on the Texas redistricting nonsense head on is a good thing.

Your human rights, along with a whole lot of other people's, are in serious jeopardy right now. Is Newsom doing things right now that are supportive of those rights? Yes.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago

Incorrect as harris found out. Its best you stop living in this fairy land of yours.

If dems want to win they need to start meeting their base where its at.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

People don't vote this way and you can't make them.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

What if I don’t want either to win?

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[-] Laurentide@pawb.social 8 points 2 months ago

Is Newsom doing things right now that are supportive of those rights? Yes.

Are you aware that you are posting this to Blahaj Zone?

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 months ago

How many dead trans people are acceptable in the name of progress?

This isn’t a hypothetical. Newsom is engaging in behavior that measurably worsens mental health among trans people. Or for anyone that doesn’t need a fucking scientific study for basic moral insight, political leaders legitimizing attacks on trans people very reasonably makes trans people live in fear.

So how much progress makes it worth terrorizing trans people? What’s the minimum you’d take in exchange? Do you think you’re actually getting that out of Newsom right now? Where’s the line that will make you go ‘okay, we’ve made enough progress, now it’s trans peoples’ turn’?

Does that point even exist for you?

Or was your comment just a thought terminating cliche?

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[-] PyroNeurosis 17 points 2 months ago

Conversely: don't let just any progress subvert your pursuit of perfection.

Just because Newsom is better than Trump does not mean you should accept his primacy before the candidates are listed. At least wait to see who else is running before attempting to curtail criticism.

[-] megopie 7 points 2 months ago

Newsome is probably one of the worst candidates they could run.

The right hates him because he’s the governor of California.

The moderates are ambivalent about him.

And the left hates him because he keeps trying to pander to the right.

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 months ago

and also his attacks on homeless rights too. grrr i hate him.

[-] megopie 21 points 2 months ago

Newsome is an awful candidate, he’s positioning himself to loose in the same way Harris did. Trying to lean to the right, ether to pick up disaffected republican voters, or to simply seem less scary to them so they’ll be less likely to vote out of fear.

It’s the strategy that Clinton used during his second election to massive success, but, the republicans have been armoring themselves against that strategy for over 3 decades now, largely by building a base of support that only sees news and information they want them to see. At this point, a Democratic candidate could run on the same exact platform as a republican, and that core base of voters would still vote for a republican.

The democrats need to embrace the 50 states strategy that helped Obama win. Focus on partnering with grass roots organization to bring in blocks of voters who don’t traditionally show up by speaking to issues they care about. Don’t dictate the “correct policy” and then try and convince voters it’s what they want, ask them what policy they want and run on that.

[-] mathemachristian 16 points 2 months ago

All you people who were willing to compromise on palestinian lives, now willing to compromise on queer and homeless lives, here is a nice poem by Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

If you still believe their lies that somehow you will be spared, just trust them, there is nothing anyone can say that will make sense to you.

[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Primary elections matter. Also, three Presidents? I’m only aware of Nixon (born here) and Reagan (moved here).

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hoover. Moved there and became a mining magnate. Smoot Hawley'd himself into tariff history.

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[-] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Is this the thread from the gop to tank newsome this early? Like yea we can talk about how he sucks but this all reads like gop bots in here.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

Na gavin just shouldnt even be discussed as a possible president candidate. He wont do any better than harris

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