This mindset is aggressively capitalistic...

Basically, the capitalistic mindset is: you need to earn your living and pay for everything that you get.

So when he qualifies it with "able to work but unwilling to work" ... In his mind, that's an egregious fault that puts a person into a place in his mind where they are invalid, and not worthy of anything.

This is how these fucks think. No empathy. No humanity. No "helping" anyone with anything unless they get something in return .

It's about them, and they don't want to "pay for" (via taxes) someone else's healthcare when that person did not earn it for themselves.

They're dicks. Every last fucking one of them.

This is red herring. I'm not saying the subject of health care for the unemployed is not important, but framing the question like this distract from the practice of tying health insurance to the employer, which is the real problem.

Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.

This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.

It's not free. We all work to lift up the most vulnerable people in our society. I am very thankful to be an able bodied person that pays taxes. I'll never look down upon anyone that needs to use public assistance.

I'm sick and fucking tired of Republicans talking about welfare queens.

When I grew up, everyone got cholera and dysentery! If people don't get it now, that's UNFAIR! Getting these diseases builds character.

If we want our kids to be SERIOUS we need to let them get cholera and dysentery. After all, both are totally natural.

And this mindset is, ladies and gentlemen, the one that improved the spreading of deadly diseases.

Free public healthcare is not only about you being healthy. It's also about you not spreading diseases to everyone you cross on the street.

Just flip the question around and think about it for a sec. Should people who can work but don't and then get sick just die? Obviously fucking not, that's insane.

"who refuse to work" - And how many people is that? Numbers please.

If someone refuses to work, that's the problem you need to address. Not that dumb question.

Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.

There will always be bad eggs in society. Including this representative that punishes the many for the failures of the few. You cannot have civilization without the outliers. But you can help the majority even if there are a few leeches. It says a lot about the right wing when their public face is hypocritical selfishness.

If you dont give them healthcare then congrats you've just lost a 28 year old that could have been a productive member of the workforce. Reps are so short sighted it hurts.

"Refuse to get a job" lol. Listen, I've dealt with my state's unemployment insurance claim website and it's awful. Anyway they're gonna implement people proving they're "not refusing to get a job" is going to be poorly thought out and half baked which will inevitably lead to people not getting healthcare.

"The threat of actual, literal death is the only way we can coerce people into working."

Even if you if you agree with the premise, it still always costs us all more in the long run when people don’t get healthcare.

We need to provide healthcare early and often. Turns out there’s a high correlation between well-fed healthy people and people who learn effectively and have the energy and aptitude to be productive later in life!

I want a healthcare system that works for everyone. I want to not have to worry that I am going to die or go massively in debt because I get sick. I HAVE insurance and these are still the things that I worry about. Unfortunately the people who are in control are bought and paid for by healthcare lobbyists

Edit: check out Rep Mike Flood's top donor industries

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-flood/summary?cid=N00050145

would you trust a guy named after an alien race that conquers world.

Guess people start to realise that to deny one person because of reasons, they can deny another person for any other reason. Even a developing country can have free healthcare without discrimination, US have no excuse.

I'd much rather see some of my hard earned money go towards benefiting my fellow citizens rather than like the pockets of some prick billionaire

I saw that. It was best described as ritual humiliation. Fucking delicious.

He doesn't work and gets free healthcare.

Shouldn't matter what you or don't do, we all deserve health care... you fucking creep

I think there are more people than there are meaningful jobs. Like, not everyone needs to be a product person.

Let's do universal basic income, make the essentials free, and let people live life. I have a friend that enjoys being around people, and would work at a coffee shop, but that doesn't pay enough for them to pay for food and housing. I've worked with people who are kind of a net negative at their org, but they're there because they need money to live. It's a bad system.

Maybe it made more sense in like 600CE when your little settlement would collapse if everyone didn't farm all day, but that's not today's world.

how about 28 year olds that could be owner/operator of a small business, but cant quit their job because of health insurance?

Even if you're selfish, free healthcare for all makes sense. A 28-year-old who doesn't work can still be a disease vector, and if they don't stay healthy now they will be an even bigger health burden later in life.

I think it's less selfishness than a morality derived from:

• slave-owners, who had to force enslaved people to work
• puritanical christians who assumed human nature was naturally lazy and immoral
• zero-sum business owners who don't want to see others "get ahead" in ways they hadn't
• people who believe raising a family isn't "real work", just something you should do between jobs