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Society is getting sick of selfish "Conservative values"
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Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.
This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.
I think I figured it out. These guys are thinking of themselves when they were younger. They mooched off mommy and daddy's money after college until they were forced to get a job. They assume everyone's life is like that.
This is also the secret to how guys like Bezos start a company from a garage; they mooched off their parents, so didn't have to worry about how long it took to make any money.
Bezos took it a step further than most. Small loans of several hundred thousand dollars from his parents paired with actual fraud perpetrated against the major publishers.
I vaguely recall the fraud, but I forget the specifics. Please drop a link for more info if you have one! (Otherwise, yes, I am capable of searching the web myself.)
In Flood's case, he had a show on his college's radio so his parents bought him a station. He got more stations. Then he became a politician. He has never worked a day in his life.
Gotcha. Sounds relatively easy to verify, but eh, personally I'm inclined to believe you. And fits his entitled attitude for sure!
If you haven't started a business in your garage, you just need to remarket yourself to yourself. ~~I once sold some old clothes on ebay and one of the items went to Canada~~ I am an international designer jeans exporter.
I’m the biggest buyer of my own books (to give away).
Weird I’m not a millionaire yet. Perhaps I’m not marketing to myself effectively enough.
Are you charging enough?
Probably not, but I can’t afford to charge more.
Did you write The Art of the Deal?
or they come from WEALTH, and they were mooching of from parents even to this day, and became wealthy themselves.
I see way too many 28 year olds who aren't working at one job, they're working two.
And they are still struggling to raise their kids.
This country's rulers have asked its working class to try or accept every solution except the one that those rulers are paid to pretend doesn't work; taxing the shit out of rich people.
Don't change the hypothetical.
He asked if a 28 yo who can work but refuses to should receive free health care.
I dunno about you but my answer is yes.
First: do no harm.
Second: make sure your patient is contributing to society in accordance with his ability.
Exactly. This is how the message gets watered down and ends up means tested garbage. I believe in universal healthcare that is free at the point of service.
I don’t think I changed the hypothetical. He seems to be complaining there are out-of-work 28 year olds who aren’t, I dunno, taking the backbreaking vacancies left by all the migrants they’re deporting for like $2/hour, plus that they want healthcare. Both are ignorant takes, but the ‘they don’t want these jobs’ thing stands out to me because we fucking told them nobody can hope to live on those wages, so bitching ‘kids these days’ don’t want these jobs is a massive facepalm.
Of course we should have universal healthcare.
e: and to be clear, none of these jobs will ever be filled by citizens, not because they’re ‘above it’ or whatever, but you can’t usually extort a citizen into ‘wages’ that low (read: make them a literal slave) by holding their visa hostage or threatening to have them deported back to the situation they fled from. And some of those situations are far, far worse than being dramatically underpaid.
I misspoke, really, because I shouldn't have said change. I'm reality, you didn't address the hypothetical at all.
My point was it doesn't matter if these people exist or not. That's the point of a hypothetical.
Plus 28yo likely doesn’t cost much on healthcare anyway.
The whole question is a distraction
They don’t want 28 year olds to work.
They want 28 year olds to works for peanuts.
Idk how many employees Charles Schulz can support being dead for 25 years BUT I bet they really want these 28 year olds to pick the peanuts and other crops. But then they will say you can't have free health care because you don't make enough picking fields.
The point to these chucklefucks is their base is so outraged at the thought of anyone getting something for nothing that they'd rather have everyone else go without just to avoid the possibility.
It’s easy to get people angry when you convince them all their hard work meant less than they think, and even easier if they think someone else got something without having to work as hard.
We see this in all animals that understand fairness, and it’s the fastest way to turn monkeys against each other (visibly give away grapes unevenly if you want somebody’s face to get ripped off).
It’s also a very primal manipulation tactic that works quite well, so long as you can redirect the animosity.
I've always had to intellectualize significant jealousy or envy. I can understand it in a way, but I just don't feel it. I mean, I get the "must be nice" part, but I've never understood how what someone else has or does reflects on me. I'm not lesser because they have more. It's the same way with the gay rights stuff - how does what another person does impact me if it's not directly impacting me?
Wanting a job for income and wanting to work are very different indeed but your point stands.
I believe most people want to contribute, but our society isn’t set up to align individual interest and aptitude with need.
If we’re asking the majority of people to grind their own bones into dust doing something they hate for a pittance, that’s a large part of the problem. Some people love cleaning (like my sister), others love woodworking or cooking or streaming. But we’re forcing square pegs into round holes because we give no thought whatsoever to how people’s skills, aptitude, and interest might align with society’s needs, then we’re shocked pikachu when most are unhappy and thus unproductive.
Work in the context I meant was definitely the type that results from the current hierarchy resulting in the categorical failure you're pointing out.
Contributing to someone you meet and relate face to face to feels good. Contributing to the concept of company or the "stakeholder" not so good.
Personally i like to do a little of everything but forced myself to learn a specialty to earn a livable wage.
In that case, I guess I agree with him that most people don’t want to ‘work’. Wanting to be a wage slave would be bonkers. Most people want to contribute meaningfully to society and don’t want to starve, but that’s not what ‘work’ means.
Right, it should just mean paid labor, but the people complaining about this would prefer it unpaid.
I'd prefer pay to be unnecessary and the labor voluntary. At least I think that's a good ideal to work towards.
I have never, and I mean TRULY NEVER wanted to work.
But I am not stupid, so I know I NEED to work in order to live.
Not wanting to give the majority of my day to a company that makes more in one second than 10,000 minimum wage employees make in a month is not "being lazy".
1/3 is already taken by sleeping, and you fucking want me to just give up another 1/3? For THIS shit pay? Entirely Fuck Off.
Plus it costs me money just to get to work.
Preach!
I used to be able to do math problems and get paid well to do them. It wasn't ever "fun" or particularly rewarding but I could do it and not be completely exhausted or in pain at the end of the day.
Now my pay is cut and I've been doing brain-rot marketing for months thanks to trump's cuts. My brain fog is so bad and motivation so low that the email that used to take me 30 seconds takes at least 20 minutes if not an hour these days. It's just meaningless and I feel like I'm working at a telemarketing call center for a company that doesn't sell anything. It's even hard to apply for new jobs. I don't know how the fuck I'm sober especially now of all times...
Just luvky I managed to get a couple promising interviews lined up, have some friends, and relatively low expenses.
Depends on your definition of work. I don't think we should let ourselves be convinced that work can only be selling your energy, your time and your skills to a company that will pay you as little as it can get away with. If you have creative hobbies, practice some craft on your free time or help other people free of charge, that's still work: you're creating something of value for others and/or for society. It just doesn't feel like it because it's something you actually want to do instead of being forced to do.
Honestly I put "NEED to get paid in order to live" but changed it to "I NEED to work" because of this. Even if I just decided to find a forest in the middle of nowhere to claim as my own, build a house, raise animals and farm the land I'm still working.
But since I do enjoy my hobbies of carpentry, metalworking and leatherworking, I don't really consider them work in the same sense. You're 100% correct.
I make stuff for people all the time, but it's on my own schedule when I feel like working on something, and I only accept orders when I feel like it. If I tried to do that full time, it's now not really up to me if I go work on something today. I have to or I get backed up, the customer gets pissed, and I'm losing money. Or the equivalent favors/barter.
‘Do something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life’.
I’ll bet there are things you love to do that would have value to others in society, even if you wouldn’t consider that a ‘job’ or ‘work’.
That’s kind of my point. If our society weren’t so broken, you could contribute without having to do what we currently consider ‘work’.
e : this sounded wrong, sorry. I meant if we could let go of capitalism, this is how things should work. We can’t have nice things, though.
It's a nice sentiment, but sadly the moment you depend on it for survival, it becomes work.
In another comment just now, I mentioned my hobbies include making knives/swords, leather work, and some light carpentry.
I love all these things. I make a pretty neat and simple metal rose that I can do different things with for coloring, and those sell like hotcakes around valentines day. But every year, I only make a handful for a few people here and there, and almost always as gifts. I never make a bunch of them beforehand with intent to sell "to someone", that's work. That's unenjoyable for me.
I could make bank in my area if I invested my savings into metalworkingnstuff stuff and focused on custom knives for hunting and camping, but the thought of that makes me want to kick my anvil and forge into the lake.
I suppose the response to that should be "well I just haven't found the thing I truly love" yet, but I just don't believe there is anything of value that I could provide to anyone that I would enjoy so much that it never feels like work and pays all my bills.
I long for the utopian future of post-scarcity...
Right, but you’re still assuming a capitalist society. Without that cutthroat marketplace and the need to compete, it wouldn’t necessarily be like that.
It’s really hard to imagine, I know – and especially because I get it, I have a very niche hobby (period corset making and couture tailoring) that I could potentially make a lot of money doing but when I tried, it sucked all the enjoyment out of it to the point I had to stop for a few years.
I’m talking about doing what you’re good at without the backdrop of a capitalist system that sucks you for every drop of blood you have.
most of the one im seeing are working, the ones arnt working are probably lazy conservatives.