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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 122 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Your parents ignored this

I've been hearing about climate change consistently since the 1980s. Multiple iterations of liberal (and moderate conservative) politician have campaigned on a variety of (free market) mechanisms for capping or curbing carbon emissions. We even had a huge surge in R&D for green energy alternatives and electrification - first in the 70s and then again during the gas cost explosion of the 00s - that is (thank fucking god) finally paying off.

So I won't say they "ignored this". I will say that we had a very wealthy, very influential minority entrenched within the political class that profited enormously from fossil fuel extraction and deliberately suppressed decades of prior efforts to reduce emissions, both domestically and globally.

The Boomers weren't blind to climate change. They weren't even apathetic. They were outmatched, outplayed, and outspent. Much like with slavery in the 1800s and women's liberation in the 1900s and human rights in the 2000s, this is a fight that liberals have spent a lot of time losing. What wins they achieved felt significant in the moment, but remained dwarfed by the stubborn intractability of their wealthy, reactionary opposition.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yep, what is everyone reading this thread doing about all of the beverage companies, data centers and fracking taking our fresh water? My guess, the same as everyone who isn't one of the above mentioned companies, nothing. One can only take care of their community.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Also a degree of survivorship bias.

Fossil fuel lobbyists coordinated with lawmakers behind the scenes and across state lines to push and shape laws that are escalating a crackdown on peaceful protests against oil and gas expansion, a new Guardian investigation reveals.

The folks that are "doing something" end up assaulted by police, arrested, jailed, and periodically maimed or killed while engaged in active resistance. These incidents of industry-coordinated state oppression go under-reported or propagandized into "eco-terrorism" in such a way that any kind of opposition to the industry is painted as extremist and counter-productive.

When your only legal options are "try to recycle harder and maybe buy more Greenwashed merch" and "Go full denialist, embrace fossil fuel propaganda, and roll some coal on a Prius", the outside observer is going to assume nothing is being done. Instead, real material efforts are simply being thwarted.

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[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 61 points 3 weeks ago

Finally, this is the first time I saw this graph that DIDN'T use logarithmic scale for time - which makes this sharp spike look "natural".

[-] sxan@midwest.social 57 points 3 weeks ago

Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.

It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.

Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago

Altman isn't sticking his head in the sand, he's delusional and selfish. He doesn't care what happens to the rest of the world after AGI.

[-] Patches@ttrpg.network 13 points 3 weeks ago

He's also delusional if he thinks AGI is coming if you just keep pumping up LLMs.

We didn't invent the automobile by breeding faster, and faster, horses.

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[-] sean_lemmy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

Gen Z is 1997-2010

How are they just entering voting age?

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

well, those who are born in 2010 can't vote, and those born in 1997 can vote. Some of them are too young to vote and some are not. So they're entering voting age.

[-] Azteh@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Well the last couple of years still can't vote, so I imagine that's what they meant

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Not just ignored, but vehemently dismissed as “woke” quoting the fossil fuel lobby almost verbatim. Repeatedly. Over generations and overwhelming scientific consensus.

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[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Did they ignore it? Yes but the only reason they ignored it was because...

  1. The oil industry (and other adjacent industries) did their best to make sure everybody doubted the science of climate change

  2. Governments (the U.S gov't in particular) took the oil industry's side and subsidized their ventures

  3. Libertarian think tanks (like the Heritage Foundation and ALEC) took money from Big Oil to misinform the public about climate change and its connection to fossil fuel burning.

[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The average person hasn’t ignored it. Most people have made major changes to their consumption over the past 20-30 years without noticing it.

  • LED lighting instead of incandescent or CFL lights.
  • TVs are flat panel instead of tube (same for computer monitors)
  • Electric cars are way more prevalent
  • Most electronics use rechargeable batteries instead of single use
  • Consumer goods contain fewer harmful chemicals

Change is being made, it’s just going too slow because individuals have very limited options while a handful of corporations are responsible for the vast majority of pollution. We’re not ignoring it, we lack the ability to make reasonable change to the situation.

[-] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

but these changes are small in the whole of it. we live a fossil fuel reliant lifestyle. what would you be willing to give up? cars as a whole? electronics as a whole? indoor climate control? constant hot water? heavy meat consumption? global travel? people care, but the human demand for all of these is heavy and hard to shake. sooner or later they may not be an option anymore

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 weeks ago

Our parents didn't ignore it.

Our Governments, and the corporations who bribed those governments, just didn't give a shit enough to listen.

[-] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Stop it, my parents ignored climinate change, my dad still doesn't believe it.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 18 points 3 weeks ago

The corporations alone don't elect climate deniers.

[-] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nah it's time to hold Boomers accountable. They were too busy focusing on hedonism, selling out future generations for a tax cut and buying pickup trucks they didn't need, to care about big picture concepts like climate change.

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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 33 points 3 weeks ago

Next generation is going to post this map but with higher temps

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 28 points 3 weeks ago

AI is going to fix this by increasing the scale of the Y axis.

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[-] Inucune@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

And people think I'm crazy for starting an algae farm... There is no quick fix. "Science will figure something out"

I am part of that science, and I can barely afford to scale beyond what I consider my carbon footprint.

narcimalgae on YouTube, although the algorithm killed it (500 to 6 views on my last video)so I may move to peertube soon.

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[-] Krono@lemmy.today 26 points 3 weeks ago

At what point on this graph is ecoterrorism justified?

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago

It isn't too late now. Apparently AI is a good target - eating a world's supply of electricity to further enrich the billionaires while continuing to muddy the science of climate change. Wish people were as upset about that as they are about their porn being restricted.

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[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Any point other than blue

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago

Right now it is

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[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

I may be nitpicking here but I think people are misinterpreting the caption.

They aren't directly saying, "your parents ignored this and now we're fucked"

It's saying, "IF your parents ignored this and you found out, you'd be mad"

Implying that, "YOU should not ignore this, because what will YOUR children think of YOU?"

A lot of people are focusing on saying "uh well my parents aren't to blame" or "they wouldn't understand" but that's not the point of the message.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't think this is gonna be a very popular response but here's my 2 cents after reading a lot of comments.

We are all products of out time. I'm not gonna blame ordinary people for believing what they were told when it was the general consensus at the time.

That doesn't excuse that behavior today. Today we know better.

But when my parents grew up, burning your garbage in the fire pit was considered recycling. It was the norm.

Today my parents and grandparents don't burn plastic in a fire pit. Because today we know better. But I don't think they ignored it 40 years ago. They just didn't know better.

Good thing we educate people on how to do what we can. Unfortunately, what individuals do doesn't matter much.

In school I did a project on climate change and in that research, I found that 1 single coal PowerPlant in Germany, released more co2, sulfur, monoxide and what not, in 1 month. Than every single registered vehicle in Sweden combined, does in a whole year.

So being a good citizen and taking my bike to the store and work instead of car (even during winter). Feels like a fart in the wind knowing that. Not to mention cargo-ships and what they use on international waters.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

We did manage to change some things for the better - acid rain, ozone depletion, lead in everything. However with conflicting information and some corporations doing everything they can to muddy the consensus, it is hard to do the right thing. It is especially difficult if for years you think you've been doing the right thing and find out it was all fake - recycling.

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[-] Goldholz 24 points 3 weeks ago

You dont understand. The poor billionairs need their money nowwww!

[-] Tiger_Man_ 23 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

People of every generation were told it doesn't matter and that it won't be a problem. With the advent of social media and associated algorithms, the village idiots are loud, organised and getting others to bark at the moon with them.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

No you don’t understand.

Jesus.

That’s all, any questions will be met with a holy sword to the clavicle. Jesus!

[-] tisktisk@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And we're just meme posting ab it xD
At least our parents weren't pretending

[-] daddycool@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Younger generations are ignoring it as well. They're busy blaming past generations, while they themselves are some of the biggest contributors to our current climate crisis.

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[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

Phew, looks like the industrial revolution just saved us from falling below the safe climate zone! /s

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Wow, so nature was getting colder to give us a bit more room to make some extra heat and we beat that to death.

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[-] Pokey@midwest.social 11 points 3 weeks ago

I was just thinking about the poor air quality today and yesterday here in the Midwest, and then I see this. I want to be hopeful we can change this in my lifetime, but I am also not optimistic.

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[-] Dohnuthut@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

This is my boomer dad whenever he complains about it being extremely hot in the summer, cold in the winter, too much rain, etc. Always responds well it won't last too long and that's just nature, nothing we can do about it because it has a mind of its own.

[-] cornshark@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Hell yeah, bring back pangea. I want dragonflies the size of baseball bats.

[-] t_berium@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure, but I think that wasn't because of higher temperatures but higher levels of oxygen in the atmosphere.

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[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

The shopping realization for me is that I can't find this kind of graphs online with my average ass searching skills.

I can find linear graphs from the last 200 years or log graphs from the last 2000, but not what is show in this picture. No ship average joes think it looks natural, I'm convinced no one sees this graph, they see the shitty confusing ones. I bet many people don't have any idea what a log graph even is.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And what were they supposed to do other than go out and vote in their own best interest?

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago

Economists are orgasming so fucking hard at this you wouldn't beliee

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 3 weeks ago

Some economist did his calculations and came to the conclusion that climate change up to 4°C would only cost 0.1% GDP (or something else ridiculously small). Somebody else remarked that his calculations showed the same 0.1% at -4°C. There was a a kilometer of ice on the spot he was now sitting when it was last -4°C, and you'd think the influence on the economy of that would be a bit more than 0.1%.

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