Anyone who mentions Hillary and her emails after signalgate and this fucking shit needs to have their ass whooped.
This admin is such a bunch of amateurs. School kids in mock governments would take their jobs more seriously and do a better job.
Hilary managed her own server and wiped the contents after getting a subpoena. Unless I'm missing something major, these are very different things
Nazis don't give a shit about being hypocrites.
They're open and proud about it, they fundamentally believe that they're right because they believe they're right, and you're wrong because you don't. Shouting buttery males or pointing out leopard face eating is like throwing a cucumber at the terminator and expecting a reaction. They don't give a shit. They absolutely will not stop ever until The Right People^tm^ have all the power to the exclusion of everyone else.
What matters is consequences. What are we going to do about it? We've had nearly two decades of high roading and it's gotten us to a demonstrably worse place. Neither leftists nor the people the republicans intend to harm can afford for us to take the high road off a cliff. Stop expecting anything but hypocrisy or trying to show them how wrong they are. Stop letting them lead you around by the nose with reactions. Start focusing on what we're going to do, start focusing on leading us somewhere new.
Lock him up!?
Buttery males!
It's hilarious when libs use hilary's email as some kind of burn while demanding these people be punished. They're all trash but the injustice system only attacks the poor, marginalized, etc. This will surely be another "nothing burger".
Are all the people in the White house technology challenged? Seems super risky to be giving these people that much power with sensitive information in a world with serious cyber threats.
I wouldn’t be trusting a bitcoin with that crew.
They are just as inept and uneducated with communications technology as the Senate, but they also have the ignorant hubris to do what they think is right instead of listening to security experts because to them they are wealthy and politically powerful so they stupidly assume they are competent and informed enough to override the consensus of experts. They do the same thing with hurricane projections, vaccines, scientific research and education funding, reproductive rights, etc.
Keeping inept morons and malicious actors out of the White House pretty much falls to the political parties and the voters.
Unfortunately being a scumbag asshole is a huge positive for a lot of Americans now.
Yes neither will be prosecuted. The system doesn't punish its most devoted servants.
ButHillaryAcidWashedHerJeansIMeanHerServerUGUYZ
( In all seriousness, why can't these dumbfucks even get the basics about BleachBit right? )
Given that Google probably trains their LLMs based on the content of people's Gmail inboxes, how long until a prompt convinces Gemini to spit out Waltz's emails verbatim?
Or, could use this profile:
Then microtarget ads that will be shown only to him. I can guarantee that a guy this bad at OPSEC doesn't know how to use an ad blocker.
(And if you're a North Korean hacking group, you make sure the ad has a malicious payload that gives you control over his computer.)
100% OPSEC OORAH
Copy and pasting from a similar thread - tldr is that lapses in infosec are fucked because it's a direct attack on YOUR security; and any official info running through other-than-official channels is fucked because that's an attack on your rights as a citizen by circumventing FOIA or accountability. When that happens, you should be pissed off regardless of which side of the aisle the culprit resides on.
Anyway...
I keep seeing Hillary's server brought up to highlight the red team's hypocrisy, but there's some introspection to be had for us as well on that topic.
Hillary's email server was one of many stepping stones on the path of increasingly fucked infosec. Now, the vast majority of neanderthals foaming at the mouth over her emails only gave a damn about it because of the (D) next to her name, but those idiots getting angry at it for the wrong reasons doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal.
My perspective on all that when the story was first breaking: I was fairly new e-nothing junior enlisted medic in the USAF. The closest thing to classified info I ever dealt with was 'confidential' medical shit covered by HIPAA, and like people's social security numbers. That's it. But even with zero-access to military secrets, at the absolute rock-bottom of the chain of command, I still had to take lengthy infosec courses every year (or every quarter? idr) to ensure I knew how to identify and properly handle classified information. Fuckups in infosec are NOT tolerated: like if I took a single page of classified info home without authorization, that'd be a court martial / potential jail time / stripped of rank / dishonorable discharge level offense. Then we have a fucking Secretary of State - someone who handles classified info all the time and should be a subject matter expert on the do's and don'ts of it - running her own shady-ass server away from the prying eyes of FOIA, claiming to not recognize classified indicators?? Then before anything could be done about it, we got the whole bleach-bit and hammer-to-harddrives scene, so some nice destruction of evidence as the cherry on top.
100% we should have crucified her.
Just like we should have crucified the dipshits before her using private email platforms like gmail or some shit to send or receive official / classified communication. Every one of those fuckers knew better.
Then Trump happens and makes everything prior, Hillary and all, look like fucking j-walking compared to the scale and blatancy of his crimes. 'Crucified' doesn't even begin to describe what needs to happen to that fucking traitor.
...but the dismissiveness regarding the email server does kinda strike a nerve for me - she fucked up BAD, and we dropped the ball by not holding her accountable, as that left the door open for dipshits like Trump to continue the trend of worse and worse infosec.
Again, it's peanuts compared to Trump - I hate writing shit like this for even the flicker of a possibility of drawing a false equivalence. There is no equivalence here. But I really wish we'd collectively change our tone about handwaving the 'buttery males!' shit because it is hypocritical to do that and then get pissy about the red team's conceptually-similar-albeit-orders-of-magnitude-more-severe fuckups.
At the end of the day, we should expect our leaders to do their job and do it correctly. If they don't, then get angry - it's your security they're playing with. None of them get the benefit of the doubt, regardless of which color their campaign stickers are.
Here's the thing about that email server: it was standard operating procedure for the White House at the time.
Email starts to be used for official communication under Bill's administration, but everyone is still trying to figure out this Internet thing back then. It was standard for the Secretary of State to run their own email server all through the Bush II administration. Hillary was simply following what was already established. It was only when John Kerry took the office that this was changed to bring their email server under White House IT staff control.
Which is what should have happened within a few years of Bush II's first term. As someone who has managed their own email server before, it's hard to setup an email server that works correctly. It's even harder to set it up in a way that doesn't immediately become a spam gateway and security hazard. As soon as the government was getting a handle on this Internet thing, all staff email servers should have been run by government IT directly.
That isn't on Hillary alone. It's a decision that crossed three different Presidential administrations and both major parties.
FOIA was followed, though. The DOJ got plenty of Hillary's emails by way of FOIA.
Ok but you skipped over the part where her technician deleted emails after getting a subpoena
Edit: also fact check, no it was not standard for any other Secretary of State to use their own server. Hilary was the only one to do that: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/
Jesus fucking Christ is everyone a complete idi- . . . oh.
Yes. Yes everyone is a complete idiot.
Shit.
Covid reminded me half of all people have less than average intelligence. Usually we don't notice, but sometimes it just shows.
it probably just got sucked in. you know how sometimes your Gmail account gets sucked in? it got sucked in.
huh??
it was his "explanation" for the war plan leaks to the Atlantic. apparently the editor's number just got "sucked in" to the group chat. that's a direct quote. no one knows wtf it means but he said like this just happens sometimes. it gets sucked in.
A lot of MAGA sucking going on.
thanks for the explanation. wow..
Hilary is laughing her ass off right now.
Hilary is enjoying her impunity just like these other politicians will.
No, Hilary is facepalming with a "Jesus tapdancing Christ" right now
I think her response was literally "Jesus Christ are you serious?" About the signal thing, if they do nothing here she can sue for malicious prosecution and probably succeed under ftca.
Seems like they're going to have Waltz take the fall for all of this. He must have had Jeffrey Goldberg in his contacts list to add him on the Signal chat, and Trump probably thinks he's been in contact with Goldberg and therefore not 100% loyal to Trump. Getting rid of Mike Waltz over using Gmail improperly would isolate the impact to just him, rather than everyone on the Signal chat.
Until they find out that everyone else there is also using persona email accounts.
Here's the archive link for the original WP article on this for anyone who wants to read the full article.
I'm sure this will be prosecuted just as heavily as Hillary was.
Folks, is having a Gmail account the same as deleting emails off your own server after getting a subpoena, or do I not care about the truth as long as I can defend Democrats
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