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submitted 1 month ago by minyaen@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Having tried all three, its a stark difference in how much more social Lemmy is comparatively. Its not even close. Almost all posts I've encountered on lemmy have interaction; whereas, more often than not, posts on the other two platforms have no interaction. Wonder what the driving factor is behind this difference?

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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 127 points 1 month ago

I've never heard of Nostr but Mastodon is a twitter clone and I don't find that style of website suits discussion well since you subscribe to accounts rather than communities.

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

It's an interesting dynamic!

I find myself talking more on lemmy as others say because it's easier/made for talking about topics. Mastodon and other fedi services center around following the account that made a thing rather than the thing(s) themselves. And that's fine, both have their place.

[-] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think the other aspect is the easy to follow discussion threads. IMO it's the cleanest way to show and follow branching discussions.

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[-] ryan213@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

You follow hashtags. It's what I do and it's been a good experience so far.

It's about the same as on Lemmy engagement-wise.

[-] Khrux@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've never understood what twitter style websites are actually for. They seem to have a tiny niche of celebrities and known personalities making a statement with no reasonable conversation stemming from it.

I don't understand how that structure was once one of the largest social media platforms in the first place.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

In my experience Twitter was for modern Seinfeld jokes, mastodon is for monsterdon Sundays at 9pm et, and Lemmy is for commenting on Internet stuff.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 54 points 1 month ago

I assume because people follow topics on lemmy, unlike microblogging where people have to follow each other to interact (one-to-many vs one-to-one). So it’s easier to interact with many people that you don’t necessarily had to be following prior, which increases the chances of interacting with more people.

[-] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

you can follow hashtags. I follow #opensource and a few other interests and I've found some interesting stuff you don't generally see in other places. but yes, the format is completely different and I find lemmy allows for better discussion than Mastodon.

[-] SnotFlickerman 15 points 1 month ago

Yeah Mastodon seems way less about discussion and way more about surfacing cool shit you wouldn't otherwise see.

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[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 42 points 1 month ago

Honestly, I think is the whole ”First Post” mindset.

When you post a reply on Mastodon, it is more intimate, the only people who see it are the original tooter and anyone who actively seeks more commentary. It is a dialogue between two people, or multiple dialogues between one person and many others.

Lemmy is more like a forum, where everyone can see all comments, right underneath the original post. It is more like an open-table discussion.

It is not that Lemmy is more social, it is just less personal.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

One of the big things driving interaction is that Lemmy's default comment sorting algorithm is a bit backwards to reddit's. As long as you get upvoted once, newer comments will appear at the top. So even if you participate late in a discussion, you're likely going to get responded to by other latecomers.

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

The fact that comments are prioritised by simple rules, an not by some sort of monolithic ALGORITHM, keeps the discussion dynamic.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I am inferring a difference between an algorithm that is based on simple rules, and an algorithm that is constantly being dishonestly modified for commercial, political and financial benefit.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 month ago

It’s probably that Lemmy is communities but mastodon is individuals

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[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

I left reddit for lemmy on the big migration but I though it wouldn't last. Here I am years after. I enjoy lemmy a lot more than I ever did Reddit.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 10 points 1 month ago

I came here in the Reddit migration too, right after the API thing. I like that this place is still small - it has the community feeling that you only saw in Reddit in small, focused subs

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 month ago

Lemmy is discussion focused, the bulk of content is the comments guided by posts. Mastadon/nostr are about microblogging, the posts are the focus of content, not the comments.

[-] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

you are missing out. Which is much worse than just being wrong.

The focus of mastodon is on the people, not the comments.

Deeply care about the other person and then you'll be interacting with someone you admire

The comments are topics they find interesting and want to share.

With coders, when they post something, is usually mostly signal.

[-] bpt11@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago

Has anyone else never even heard of nostr

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

nostr is yet another twitter, but for "anti censorship" folk, such as cryptobros and "freeze peach absolutists". Also has some crypto integration that lets it have shops and even a tiktok video thingy.

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[-] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, and its activitypub bridge Mostr.

[-] bpt11@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Never heard of Mostr either icl

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 21 points 1 month ago

Why are you comparing apples to glass bowls?

Lemmy is a reddit clone, where you create communities.
Mastodon is a Twitter clone, where you share what you ate last night or what political meme you like today while sharing photos of moss and/or windows.
Nostr is its own thing.

You can't really compare them with each other.

[-] minyaen@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, I get your point. But the question still remains. Lemmy objectively has more engagement/interaction regardless of the category of social media of each medium.

If you compare X to Lemmy, X has more engagement/interaction... And they are separate social media platforms categorically. Yet, Mastodon trumps Lemmy's user count by nearly 10 fold...

It stands to question that with a fraction of the users on Lemmy, why is the interaction/engagement considerably higher?

Mastodon User Count Lemmy User Count

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

An average post on Mastodon/X/Bluesky/Threads is "this is what I encounter" or "this is what I believe". Those kinds of posts don't specifically ask for a response. You can respond to it, but it doesn't require one.

That's not how you communicate on Lemmy or Reddit.

That's the difference.

Each platform has its own usages.

So to compare and say "well platform Y is more social, because there's more interaction than on platform 2" is a bit weird.

You wouldn't compare a letter with a message board on a town plaza either. Both can be used to communicate, but they're not comparable to each other.

Or in another way:
On Mastodon or Nostr, when you post something only a small subsection of the userbase actually sees it (only those who follow you, those that follow any of the hashtags that you used, or those that check the full firehose).
On Lemmy the entire community you posted it to can see your post.
Obviously you can get more response on Lemmy! More people get to see it.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Twitter have big interaction because user count is extremely high. For a microblogging platform maybe it requires that it needs lots of users and some "creators" who are followed by thousands of people, unlike communities which anyone can post and everyone joined the community can see.

I also think upvotes and downvotes plays a role too since mastodon does not have them(only boosts but boost actually shares with your own followers which might be very low)

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[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago

Mastodon is so boring for me. Some people boost me because I discuss my research or Linux but rarely any engagement

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

I find microblogging format isn't really great for having any sort of meaningful discussion. Mastodon is good for posting news or memes, but that's about it. Lemmy format allows having an actual dialogue, and that makes it a lot more engaging.

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[-] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

Mastodon right now is essentially macroblog and/or microblog. Entirely designer for different purpose than Lemmy.

Any group-based social media will have higher possibility of interaction due to easier way to find similar interest, whether Lemmy, Reddit, Facebook Group, Misskey Group, even traditional self-host forum.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mastodon & others are microblogging (aka shitposting) platforms, while lemmy lets you ask questions in posts that will persist (not get flooded under a megaton of shitpost, hentai) and get answers.

On mastodon what's important is who you are (who you know, who you can interact with), on lemmy your post's content is more important.

[-] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

On Mastodon, follow and interact with people you admire, not content.

Go to pypi look for packages you admire, find their maintainers, and get chatting with them. Coders make themselves available on mastodon. Not lemmy. Not twitter. Email is passe.

Do a survey. Look up 20 random packages you admire on pypi. What contact info do they provide? These packages must be actively maintained. Otherwise understand if dinosaurs in the past communicated thru mostly hand gestures and grunting.

Published coders are the richest resource of talent in the history of mankind.

Lemmy ... asking questions?! Is that it?

There is more to interacting and collaboration than hit and run knowledge sharing.

[-] DesertDwellingWeirdo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Microblog.... I just don't care about other people that much. Specific topics are more engaging and interesting.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Hey, I don't come into your house and insult you by calling you social media! /s

I think, much like HN or early web forums, we're below the population level where personal attacks get unmanageable. On Reddit voicing a dissenting opinion would always get you dog piled and that makes people defensive and boring as shit.

People here are generally (some exceptions being pro life/choice which is a deeply toxic topic at this point and Gaza which has emotions extremely high) arguing in good faith and even if they're rough initially a lot of times I've appreciated back and forth threads since, even if there's still a disagreement, most people will genuinely work to remove stupid misunderstandings and try and understand who they're talking to.

Additionally, the mods on most communities are awesome and focus specifically on removing things like personal attacks without getting heavy handed in interventions.

[-] leraje 10 points 1 month ago

The blog style format (post + threaded comments) is a lot more inviting to a conversational style than microblogging. Some Masto instances have very open post character counts but some are much more limiting - as are Bluesky and Xitter. If you're not able to explain your point clearly it hampers the ability to have a decent conversation about it.

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[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 10 points 1 month ago

The format is certainly more conducive to discussion. On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more 'broadcast' nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy. Just a quick look at a basic news community between instances will show a massive slant depending who runs it. With Mastodon people talk more globally and the obnoxious ones just get blocked en-masse rather than so much being at a mod's whim.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more ‘broadcast’ nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy

These are two sides of the same coin, one side you called community and the other side you called echo chamber. Whether a particular community/echo chamber is “bad” or “good” is a matter of your interpretation.

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[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago

The fuck is Nostr? I can't keep up.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Nostr is another fediverse like social media platform that the founder of bluesky created after he realized he had made another mistake like he did in creating twitter.

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[-] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

mastodon is like an oasis in a sea of noise.

Concentrate on the signal, not the noise.

Build relationships with people you care about.

The problem with mastodon might turn out to be having a heart lacking in empathy. Need to be able to care enough to want to be associated with someone you admire.

We live amongst rock stars. How can anyone completely miss that?! The problem is neither the platform nor the rock stars.

Don't need a sea of people. Need 10 or 5 or 3. As long as they are rock stars. I count my blessings daily.

It's clearly how approach to using mastodon. Small tweak to your mindset and you can get alot out of the platform.

Dial up a super hero and tell them they are awesome.

Go to pypi

Find packages you like and their maintainers.

Hook up with them and tell them they are awesome, but found a few things that doesn't make sense in the docs. Whatever the approach. You are in!

Do it now.

It'll take all of 5 mins.

[-] oysterenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Why are all your comments like poetry? I love that lmao

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[-] radiofreearabia@freefree.ps 8 points 1 month ago

@minyaen they do federate, they aren't competitors

posted from Mastodon

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[-] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Concur. Love how lemmings bundle up and socialize!

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[-] knexcar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I don’t know but that image looks sick

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

I do have and use Mastodon. But more and more I keep thinking that traditional blogs + rss are a better fit for me.

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[-] Walk_blesseD 4 points 1 month ago

Tbh I'm a lot more antisocial here

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