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I'd sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.

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[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 minutes ago

They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 6 hours ago

I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he's been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).

But you know what, I think it's better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it's better to wait it out with a bit of patience.

Besides, what if it really wasn't Luigi and we've all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?

[-] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven't believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 3 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 33 minutes ago)

You're shocked eh.

This attitude sounds very trumpy

All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven't heard all the evidence

Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they're going to get away with it. Or they figure they're going to get caught

We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.

Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned

Had another guy who was the world's biggest asshole. He got busted for distributing drugs.

Then there is Trump who brags about his crimes and then pretends like he's being set up

[-] princessnorah 1 points 28 minutes ago

There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy...

No, yep, you're right, absolutely zero incentive. Not like there'd be a bunch of rich and powerful CEOs breathing down their neck to catch the CEO killer or anything.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.

What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.

Occam's razor.

Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 hours ago

Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn't really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald's to get caught.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's completely possible. But... I dunno... a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb...

[-] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 11 points 6 hours ago

Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 23 points 8 hours ago

More likely he had no real semblance of getting away with it and just happened to escape due to the incompetence of the NYPD.

People who typically go through these plans are not the most mentally stable, he was probably expecting to be caught so he wrote his manifesto beforehand and thought he'd try to see how far he could get.

Most of all, he probably did not expect the authorities fail to ID him, which is also why he made it for so long.

Even the Mcdonalds employee might have reported him for other reasons like loitering or general sketchiness and not because they thought he was the shooter.

Still I think it's funny how he inadvertently proved the ease of crime with pretty basic rules. Any sort of organized crime, especially one off jobs could probably do it even more discretely and get away with it.

[-] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

Except that manifesto sounds fake AF bootlicking cops in the first sentence? he more than likely dead man switched the one on pepmangione dot com slash manifesto

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You sound like a 9/11 crackpot.

The news interviewed the employee, and apparently he wasn't aware that was actually the real luigi right there. He was trying to waste the police's time on a lookalike

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

First thing in the manifesto "yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them"

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 106 points 15 hours ago

Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES

Firsthand knowledge.

200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time

No damage so far.

Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 hour ago

it's not like homemade guns are a new thing, it's just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 7 hours ago

Yeah but people don't consider printing a handle to be a "3d printed gun" unless you're trying to ban their existence entirely.

[-] evidences@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago

Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the "ghost guns", the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn't really my scene but that seems to be what I've seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that's obviously designed to shoot only once.

I'm sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

To add on to what you said, only the lower recievers for most guns have to be registered. Someone could hypothetically get every other upper part for a gun or rifle delivered directly to their door or PO box with no questions asked, and then just hypothetically 3d print the lower reciever.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 9 points 9 hours ago

The ones I have use 3d printed frames, the fire control group and barrels are metal with 3d printed pieces for making the rifling.

All the parts that take repeated heavy abuse are reinforced with extra thickness or different infil, but by weight I'd say it's about 50/50 metal/plastic.

The 3d printed lowers are quite basic, and since they aren't designed to take a ton of stress anyway, it's not really hard to find a decent design.

All my parts are printed in pla+, and I do minimal work afterwards to make things perfect, only what is necessary for the mechanical parts to cycle properly.

I actually haven't been keeping up the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if there are even better methods than the ones I've used.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 35 points 14 hours ago

Usual reminder that everything pigs say is false until proven otherwise

[-] megopie 42 points 15 hours ago

to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.

It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.

But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.

So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.

The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.

[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 127 points 18 hours ago

A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts

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