So extra background, I was put off by proxmox’s weird steps to get ISO’s onto the system via USB so I was like “I am not touching the backup stuff” and just rolled my own (I treat the VMs/containers on my proxmox server like individual servers and back them up accordingly and do not back up the underlying proxmox instance itself).

I see proxmox has a similar pruning setting to Restic, and it exports the files like incus. So I’d say yes, proxmox is one-stop-shop for backup while with incus you have to put its container export options and restic together and put that in a cron job.

Still hard to say what I’d definitively tell a newbie to go with. I found (and still find) the proxmox ui daunting and difficult while the incus UI makes much more sense to me and is easier (has an ISO pulling system built in for instance. But as you’ve pointed out - proxmox gives you an easy way to have robust backups that takes much more effort on the incus side.

As backups are paramount, proxmox for a total newbie. If someone is familiar with scripting, then incus - because it needs scripted backups to be as robust as proxmox’ backups. @barnaclebill@lemmy.dbzer0.com this conclusion should help you choose proxmox (most likely)!

https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/docs/main/howto/instances_backup/#instances-backup-export

A bit down from the snapshots section is the export section, what I do is I export to a place then back it up with Restic. I do not compress on export and instead do it myself with the —rsyncable flag added to zstd. (Flag applies to gzip too) With the rsyncable flag incremental backups work on the zip file so it’s space efficient despite being compressed. I don’t worry about collating individual zip files, instead I rely on Restic’s built-in versioning to get a specific version of the VM/container if I needed it.

Also a few of my containers I linked the real file system (big ole data drive) into the container and just snapshot the big ole data drive/send said snapshot using the BTRFS/ZFS methods cause that seemed easier, those containers are easy enough to stand up on a whim and then just need said data hooked up.

I also restic the sent snapshot since snapshots are write-static and restic can read from it at its leisure. Restic is the final backup orchestrator for all of my data. One restic call == one “restic snapshot” so I call it monolithically with one call covering several data sources.

Hope that helps!

Can’t help but here’s a rant on people asking LLMs to “explain their reasoning” which is impossible because they can never reason (not meant to be attacking OP, just attacking the “LLMs think and reason” people and companies that spout it):

LLMs are just matrix math to complete the most likely next word. They don’t know anything and can’t reason.

Anything you read or hear about LLMs or “AI” getting “asked questions” or “explain its reasoning” or talking about how they’re “thinking” is just AI propaganda to make you think they’re doing something LLMs literally can’t do but people sure wish they could.

In this case it sounds like people who don’t understand how LLMs work eating that propaganda up and approaching LLMs like there’s something to talk to or discern from.

If you waste egregiously high amounts of gigawatts to put everything that’s ever been typed into matrices you can operate on, you get a facsimile of the human knowledge that went into typing all of that stuff.

It’d be impressive if the environmental toll making the matrices and using them wasn’t critically bad.

TLDR; LLMs can never think or reason, anyone talking about them thinking or reasoning is bullshitting, they utilize almost everything that’s ever been typed to give (occasionally) reasonably useful outputs that are the most basic bitch shit because that’s the most likely next word at the cost of environmental disaster

Orrrrrr

First date fit includes underwear??

Ah, I see I am in the presence of a preeminent N64 titty connoisseur

You def get it Ur blasted, leaving the club at close with yo best bitches, and you’re responsible so you get ya ride. The app says ya ride is a Kia Chevy Juke and y’all’s abs cooked but one of yous is tryin hard cause you n yo best bitches don’t wanna get kidnapped Also you hit the club in March so it’s cold af at 4 am

Anyone who thinks someone who has the wherewithal to vote uncommitted to protest the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel in the Democratic-only primary but not realize that the fascist republican party is significantly worse than Biden for the general election is arguing in bad faith.

The whole joke plays into a terminally horny me-me emoji copypasta that people liked to crank out a few years ago - making it “moldy”! The point is the emojis! Here’s one for dickmas that takes it to 11:

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I’d guzzle