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NYC mayor says suspect identified in UnitedHealth executive's murder, NY Post reports (www.reuters.com)

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[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 150 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Key facts about Jury Trials:

Jurors cannot be punished for their decison either "guilty" or "not guilty", no matter if the decision was the "right" or "wrong" decison.
A verdict of "not guilty" cannot be appealed nor overturned.
A person cannot be tried for the same criminal act more than once. Famously known as the "No Double Jeopardy" clause. (although: according to the law, mistrials / hung juries don't count as a trial for the purposes of "No Double Jeopardy")

Interpret these facts however you will. wink wink, nudge nudge

[-] VeganCheesecake 85 points 2 weeks ago

Also, don't tell anyone you know that, or you're not gonna be on any jury.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

cough cough ^jury ^nullification cough

Sorry, there must be something in the air today.

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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 weeks ago

Can we crowd source ads around Manhattan and have people with bullhorns on the sidewalks around the court entrances announcing "Jury Nullification is your right!"?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago

Just to be clear, Jury Nullification isn't a right, more of a natural consequence of the 2 rules:

Jury can't be punished for not ruling a certain way

And

No double jeopardy.

You can't outlaw jury nullification without breaking the first rule and you can't break the first rule because it's absolutely necessary for a fair justice system

[-] tiefling 12 points 2 weeks ago

We have a fair justice system?

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Theoretically. The structure is setup for one, it's the individuals that fuck it up. As usual.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's not just a consequence, it's the entire reason we have juries in the first place. Do you honestly think 12 random untrained people can judge if someone violated a law better than a traines judge holding a bench trial? Juries are always going to be inferior at applying the letter of the law than any trained judge.

The only value of a jury is that it protects against unjust laws. The original idea was that, regardless of what laws the wealthy write, you still need to be able to convince 12 ordinary people that a crime worthy of punishment has taken place.

Jury nullification isn't just some quirky consequence of the jury system; it's the entire reason we have juries in the first place. We've just collectively forgotten that fact.

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[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 17 points 2 weeks ago

Well, according to citizens united, money = speech.

[-] JonsJava@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Jury nullification is one way to overturn unfair laws.

If a bunch of juries refuse to play ball, prosecutors will stop trying the cases. They think convictions are the only way to win reelection.

I'm an advocate for homeless people. I 100% support jury nullification.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, we'd probably want to keep murder illegal. It's just this specific murder we don't take issue with.

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[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 131 points 2 weeks ago

Adams was quoted by the Post as saying the police were withholding the suspect's name for now to deny him any advantage.

“We don’t want to release that now,” the mayor said. “If you do, you are basically giving a tip to the person we are seeking and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask."

Yeah yeah. I'll believe it when you prove it Adams. Sounds like you still have Jack shit to me.

[-] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 115 points 2 weeks ago

That part cracks me up. As if the killer has no idea the police are after him.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago

It's worse.

It implies the killer has no idea who he is, so the police informing the name is different from just telling him they know his name.

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 24 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe he doesn't read Reddit.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe reddit can point the finger at a dead college student again.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago

If they had a name, they’d probably already have the person it belongs to in custody.

[-] _bcron_@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

^^^ wrong

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Let's just call him L Simpson... no wait, that's too obvious. Lisa S.

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[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, this tips the guy off as much as releasing the name unless they are bluffing.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago

If Adams held a press conference to say the sky was still blue, I'd promptly go out and check for myself.

[-] tiefling 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Adams is a piece of shit Republican who has dropped any premise of ever being progressive. I look forward to the day he leaves his post.

Also, the guy is already a hero. The moment the public learns the guy's name, it's gonna become memorialized.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Either they don't find the guy, in which case. Yay he's free.

Or if they do, his name is gonna be remember forever. Also bonus points if he gets set free by a Jury.

Even if, god forbid, he get shot by police. He becomes a martyr.

There's no good outcome for the elites.

[-] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

DONT SAY HIS NAME. WE HAVE TO PROTECT MR SHIT

I MEAN SMITH 👀👀👀

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 2 weeks ago

Lol, he's totally not going to get tipped off as long as you don't say his name. It's not like he's been like the only thing in the news in the last 3 days.

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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 96 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like a desperate tactic to get perpetrator to make mistakes (ie, tickets bought hastily to leave country). Sudden plans to leave the country or travel domestically are often flagged by the feds for follow up. The practice was supposedly put on hold [1] but wouldn’t surprise me if it’s used in situations like this.

In my opinion, police wouldn’t bother releasing this statement. If it was real, investigation would continue and the next statement/story would be “we have the person in custody”.

I call bullshit.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/dea-passenger-searches-halted-watchdog-finds-signs-civil-rights-violat-rcna181262

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 73 points 2 weeks ago

That’s one theory, but also, remember that Eric Adams is kind of a moron.

One of the few explanations that makes sense to me is that the cops have identified him but aren’t saying anything so as not to tip him off, and Adams decided to make the announcement anyway, because him being the one to break the news is good for his career. And then figured with impeccable moron logic that as long as he doesn’t use the guy’s name, the guy will be none the wiser.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 weeks ago

Why is Adams still free?

What a piece of shit.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago

Lol

Merrick Garland

Same one in charge with investigating trump

Same fucking bullshit

[-] errer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

He would have been a terrible Supreme Court justice based on the past 4 years. Wet blanket of a man.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

Eh...

A useless piece of shit that does nothing is still somewhat of a better justice than a justice that tries to tear down democracy.

Like just a teeny tiny bit less bad.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

Cops haven't found shit. I saw a video of a guy putting mask on their face that when on actually make you look like that person. Apparently can buy them on Amazon. How do we know that isn't a mask? This guy was smart. He didn't leave behind nothing he didn't want the cops to find. Hell the so called bottle they found. If you wacth the video or him disposing of it. He placed it in just a way that was for sure to be found.

Also two theories on the backpack. Either he left it on purpose, or my thinking is the cops planted it to make it look like they are solving this thing.

I think who ever this was is a professional or he planned it right and they will not catch this person. Unfortunately they will pin this on someone, and that someone will be dead.

Even if and its a big if they catch this person, no way will they allow this man to be put on trial. Allow his defense lawyer play up that he killed that fucking CEO because someone he loved died because the fucks at United Healthcare denying their claim. And if they had gotten care would have lived.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Allow his defense lawyer play up that he killed that fucking CEO because someone he loved died

That would not be admissible at trial.

The purpose of a trial is to present or rebut evidence that he killed the CEO. Anything extraneous to that is not allowed.

The exception would be if he were trying an insanity defense, which almost never succeeds.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Please it will be brought up. It goes to motivate. Again rhey will not let this hero go to trial. Besides they won't get a jury to convict him.

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[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

Spoilers for Death Note (the Anime):

spoiler

In Death Note, L had the police announce that they sent thousands of FBI agents into Japan to find Kira, and show it on TV when they knew Yagami Light was watching. There were no such thing as thousands of FBI agents, it was a bluff, and Yagami Light also predicted it and remained calm. This could be a similar bluff.

(Note: This is not to compare Yagami Light to the NYC John Wick, Yamami Light has (arguably) way more unethical acts than our NYC John Wick.)

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You mean habitual liar Eric Adams? As quoted by the abominable tabloid the New York Compost?

Yeah, I'm gonna hold out for confirmation from someone not perpetually full of shit..

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

how would releasing his name vs "we know who it is" give any amount of edge to the guy? do they really think this guy is dumb enough to be complacent? im sure he's doing 100% of his best effort to remain as lucky as possible and have the best chances of making it onto a container ship headed for cambodia or whatever.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 31 points 2 weeks ago

They don't know, they're just trying to smoke him out.

[-] Thrashy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe he has an Internet or social media presence with persuasive and/or humanizing postings, and they want to deny him the PR bump he'd get from them becoming public.

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[-] formergijoe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

You can't get sued when you're wrong with "we know who did it."

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

They don't know the Adjuster's secret identity. They're lying to distract from their own incompetence.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago

They don't have shit lol

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 weeks ago

Suspect identified as having quite a dashing face.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

one video talking about Paul Watson: “wanted for the crime of being a fucking legend”

[-] harmsy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

I heard his name was Simon Belmont. Here's an artist's sketch:

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I'm partial to "The Adjuster."

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 26 points 2 weeks ago

No one pointing out that although this is Reuters, their source in the NY Post.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

The four most meaningless words in journalism... "the NY Post reports"

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Which one? The smiling guy that was different than the shooting video guy?

[-] HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago

He should tell the FBI cause they're still crowdsourcing data.

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