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Summary

Vivek Ramaswamy, recently appointed to lead the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has proposed defunding federal programs that lack current congressional authorization.

This could affect programs like veterans’ healthcare, NASA, and early education initiatives, which still receive funding despite expired authorizations.

Ramaswamy argues that cutting these programs could save billions, and he’s committed to targeting expenditures that “don’t advance the interests of American citizens.”

DOGE, co-led by Elon Musk, aims to curb government spending, with Musk estimating potential cuts of up to $2 trillion.

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[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 150 points 1 month ago

As someone with just as much federal authority as the non-existent DOGE, I also propose defunding expenditures that “don’t advance the interests of American citizens.”

And I would like to start with fucking Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon fucking Musk.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

as equal authority, I propose we just lock them up.

I'm sure we can find something to actually justify it. Like, you know, betraying classified secrets to the russians, as well as providing intelligence and military aid;

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

If we're all just doing things without authority, why does it even need a legalized justification? Home Depot sells dog cages and padlocks.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Because kidnapping is one thing and seeing them convicted is another.

I want him convicted in a court of law. Legitimately.

All of these stupid fucks, to be clear. Musk. Trump. Vivek. There’s a long list of assholes that need some justice.

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[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago

Newly added colluding with Iranian representatives outside official government channels

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[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 132 points 1 month ago

As a US citizen, paying for veterans healthcare and early education programs advance my interests a whole fucking lot more than paying this jackass.

Stupid piece of shit, you don't speak for us.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

I know what you mean but he does, quite literally, speak for us now. This is what we asked for.

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

I sure as fuck didn't, I voted against every single fascist asshole on my balot. I'm just angry.

[-] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Right there with you

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

So did I but unfortunately we lost. That's democracy in action. The country we live in (the collective we) asked for this.

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 17 points 1 month ago

Thanks for voting. You're justified in being angry. There's a lot to be angry about. Right now we need to focus on blocking every action of this government. We need to shine a light on candidates doing the right thing and bring them up to positions of leadership.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

Do it. Cut tricare too. I don’t want those things gone, but holy hell yes please eliminate the willingness of the military to aid you against the constitution. Defund barrack improvements and force married troops to bring their spouses into the barracks while you’re at it.

Crash and burn and let us rebuild America with an understanding it wasn’t immigrants or trans people that did this, it was rich people and fascists.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

As a former military child, I largely agree with cutting tricare. It's pretty good, and military people take for granted that they get socialized Healthcare but not the rest of us. Yeah, "serving the country" and all that, but most military personnel aren't doing anything that anyone else isn't doing. Most military personnel are not in combat roles. Everyone should be treated well because everyone benefits the nation. Take away the socialized healthcare of the military and vets and maybe we'll get socialized healthcare in general.

I doubt this will work, but it'll at least force military people to come to terms with the fact they have socialized healthcare and how well it works. My dad at least used to argue with me whenever I called it that. I'm not sure if he still thinks it isn't true. I'm sure other people haven't even considered that that's what it is.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Touching NASA very well might be the thing that finally pushes me to actual violence.

Scientific endeavors, but specifically research and exploration of space are pretty much the only things in life I really have a passion for.

NASA is definitely a target. Musk wants to make SpaceX America's privatized space agency.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

you'll know nasa is doomed when space-lasers greene or flat earth boebert get tagged for nasa admin.

[-] hraegsvelmir@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

At least in that case, we could look forward to one of them saying something dumb like, "The moon is fake, it's not like I could actually go there." NASA leadership could launch a mission to send them to the moon to prove it real and just go, "Oops, we missed. Darn thing moved on us."

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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

The last conservative government silenced the government scientists from discussing climate change and destroyed decades of research as they didn't believe in it and it didn't fit their Alberta oil jobs first objectives.

We are looking at another Conservative government coming our way again in the next year and it's going to be a super shit storm when our Cons and the US Cons are firing on all cylinders destroy everything they don't like or believe in. I fear it's going to take decades again to come back on the science again.

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[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

America: Our soldiers are heroes!

Also America: But they don't deserve a penny and should pay exorbitant prices for healthcare...

I know this isn't all Americans, but it's more than I thought.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

Remember when if you didn't "support our troops," Republicans would ask you why you hated America?

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

The right wing has never supported veterans

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

Elon musk being like "all that money we're spending on vets could be going into my pockets."

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 37 points 1 month ago

This will piss off every single veteran, active service member, and their relatives. I don't just want this shit to fail, I want people to remember just how little fucks these people give about anyone other than themselves.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

Republicans have been cutting vet benefits for years, and it hasn’t stopped them from voting red yet.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is amazing. Good. Fuck the troops. Let's see you garrison your military bases in every other country in the world, losers. You can't even meet recruiting goals now!

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Save billions on essentials while spending trillions in bullshit.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

“This bloated liberal socialist program is inefficient and doesn’t work. Because it’s liberal and socialist. So we’re going to get rid of it. We’re planing to plan a replacement plan, but we haven’t planned on when to plan it. But we’ll blame the libs for that too, even though we have essentially captured all branches of the government at this point.”

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[-] Grogon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The clown is inviting more clowns and they are building up the circus, this could be funny if it wasn't so serious.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Part of me, as an outsider looking in with abject horror, wants to see this happen just because I still hold out hope that it might finally wake up a not-insignificant part of rural and rust-belt America that live off these benefits (or ‘handouts’ according to the GOP) out of their political stupor.

But on the other hand, I know that once it’s gone, it’s very unlikely to be brought back in the immediate future by the current crop of Dems, who seemingly would rather keep dangling it as a carrot (along with restoring ablation access) in order to entice voter turnout.

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[-] pineapple_pizza@lemmy.dexlit.xyz 21 points 1 month ago

Okay I agree with the other comments here but I'm a bit confused on this.

How are we still spending money on these things if congress doesn't approve it? The legislature sets the budget, did they just forget to make it official and extend these? Also why even have a phase out period in the first place?

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think it's because there is a difference between the Budget and Appropriations in Congress. The budget is a plan, where programs are authorized and an overall budget is set. The appropriations process is what assigns particular dollars to particular discretionary programs. (Certain programs deemed "mandatory" by Congress, like Social Security, Medicare, and interest on the debt, get allocated money automatically and are not involved in appropriations)

If I had to guess, I would say that once a program is authorized once under a budget, it can continue as long as it (or the Federal department it is part of) is not specifically de-authorized, and as long as it continues to receive appropriations specifically for that program.

So, it is likely that this is all about Ramaswamy's total ignorance of how Congress works. Which tracks pretty well with what this DOGE is all about.

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[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I expected NASA to get screwed by DOGE. What I didn't expect was that it's at the behest of Ramaswamy instead of Elmo. 2024 is defying expectations yet again.

[-] valaramech@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago

NASA gives SpaceX fat government paychecks. He doesn't want anything to happen to them.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

they just want Russia to be the top superpower

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

Please, keep pissing off the military, sounds like a FAFO-prone strategy.

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Is the tide changing? I feel like the GOP has been dicking the veterans over my whole life and they're still like their biggest and strongest supporters. Leopards and faces and all that.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

We can't be taking care of Veterans that is way to decent of a thing to do for Republicans.

[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Specifically about veterans' healthcare: Veterans surveyed supported Trump 61% to 37% Harris with 2% undecided. And it's not like the plan to screw up VA benefits was hidden, it was there in Project 2025.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

I'm sure this will help with the dramatic drop in people willing to volunteer for the army.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

Nice of you to assume you won't get mandatory military service.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

They stopped drafting people for a reason.

Maybe they forgot? Guess we'll have to remind them.

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[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

Entirely typical.

Republicans have already dicked veterans over so hard that private charities have to try to make up for all of the broken promises.

And it's still not enough for them.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Trump: "What is the worst idea we can implement?"

Ramaswamy:"Let's make all the people that know how to use the most complex and deadly weapons mad at us as quickly as possible!"

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Shameless, veterans risk their lives for their country, the least the govt can do is give them healthcare

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately for veterans, they aren't risking their lives for their country. They're risking their lives for the special interests of corporate oligarchs who couldn't care less about them.

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[-] credo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

So DOGE is getting cut then?

[-] FloppyFlounder8@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

Not for millenia would I have realized that Department of Government Efficiency stood for DoGE. What a funny little boy Elon is.

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