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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

The threats, which already closed government offices and caused school evacuations, come as Trump pushes racist lie

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 198 points 2 months ago
[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 63 points 2 months ago

No, no, no, no, it’s only terrorism if the perpetrators are brown. If they’re white republicans it’s just a little prankarooni!

[-] Forester@yiffit.net 19 points 2 months ago

*sparkling directed violence

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

If they’re white republicans ~~it’s just a little prankarooni!~~ they're called freedom™️ fighters!

This is unironically what most of them believe they are.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

So terrorism…

Yes.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Violence or the threat of violence by non state actors. Yup, fits perfectly.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 159 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They wear their title proudly. Openly admit it in the streets.

And yet for some reason, are allowed to continue to operate freely.

Our country goes to war for less.

Edit: A friend of mine got this shoved in their mailbox today

Totally not domestic terrorists...

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 months ago

Our country goes to war for less.

Against brown people.

When was the last time the US bombed a white country?

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Can you provide a list of “white countries”?

[-] quinkin@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

"beasts of the field"... What is this? Reads like some Klan shit.

A few sentences later. Oh.

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago
[-] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago
[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't see anything in that link confirming that this is real. It talks about a thing from 2 years ago.

I mean, if you're just trying to say they're proud pieces of shit, that's known. But not what they asked.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Besides checking these address and phone number (did anyone check them?), the printer that produced these may be IDed if it leaves special secret marks:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I saw Hasan Piker share that KKK flyer yesterday on his stream. It's fucking disgusting, with the font and everything.

I was apprehensive about using the term Nazi to describe conservatives because I didn't want to group them all under that banner, but there's no hiding it anymore. I'm going to use this language around my friends and family until and after the election in hopes of setting there minds straight. We are literally watching the coming of the Fourth Reich. Fuck

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago

Wow… that font choice.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago

10 years ago, this would have looked like something out of a dystopian movie.

[-] Skoobie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

If it was in their mailbox and had no postage, report it to your post office. That's illegal and the postmaster can hit them up for postage due.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 85 points 2 months ago

I doubt it will happen, but it would be poetic justice if so many people get pissed over this that Trump loses Ohio.

[-] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Current model from Silver and the polls raw data averages say it’s not even close. Trump will win the state by a 97.6% to 2.4% spread.

Because so many of you cannot understand modeling vs polling averages… that is the likelihood of a win as a result of taking poll inputs through Silver’s model, reflecting overall chances of a win as a output.

It is NOT polling average percentages.

[-] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In the latest version I found of Nate Silver's model (not 538), he has Ohio coming in at 52.4% for Trump and 43.6% for Harris, an 8.8% spread. I did not dig deeper to find the dates or particular polls from Ohio he's basing that on.

However, based on these numbers, he is likely modelling that Trump wins Ohio in 90%+ of outcomes to Harris's <5% of outcomes.

This is the same way he spoke to his model in previous elections. It wasn't that Hillary was expected to win 80-90% of the popular vote or electoral college just weeks before the 2016 election, it was that his model had her winning that percentage of the outcomes when he ran the model.

[-] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The numbers I gave are the model outputs for the state as of yesterday off his subscriber based model talk page.

So no.

Of course these are the likelihood of a win and not polling differences. That’s why I said model output, not a poll aggregate.

An 8 point spread in a state for polling averages is incredibly large. For reference Ohio is as deeply spread red in polling averages as Nee Jersey is blue. You think New Jersey votes red this year in any reasonable reality? No.

For an even more crazy but accurate comparison: Alaska has the same mid point statistical odds of going red as Ohio, but its error bars are more than double Ohio. Meaning? There is an incredibly slim but massively more possible chance Alaska goes blue than Ohio.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

People are going to mistake those odds for polling numbers...

[-] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

They very much did.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"... so you're saying there's a chance? ..."

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately that's not usually the first impact of terrorism. Support for them will rise until they do something stupid, pointless, and tragic. Unfortunately by that time there's thousands of people deep in the ideology in an area and it requires military action to clean up. Telling that something is wrong and we're all hurting brings people in. Killing innocent people drives people away. It's why David Duke is all rhetoric and little action. He can publicly sever himself and the movement from people who do take action while influencing them to do so and advancing his political position.

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 65 points 2 months ago

He needs to be held responsible, but no one has the balls to do it. This is how he’s been allowed to get where he is.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

He will not be held accountable. See 2021-01-06

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The US has always had domestic terrorism sure, but you can't tell me we didn't legitimately become a straight up terror state once Trump stochastically sent his goons to do his bidding. Courts are citing the pressure these people are causing in their rulings and handlings of Trump, which means the terrorism is working to alter the rule of law. Since the US law system is based heavily on precedent, there's a good chance this alteration of the law will extend beyond just for Trump. All it takes is the right (or wrong depending on your perspective) judge and enough money for a damn good lawyer.

[-] SnotFlickerman 24 points 2 months ago

Insert Reagan "we don't negotiate with terrorists" while negotiating with terrorists

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago

By negotiate, you mean work hand in hand with them.

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[-] bustAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Malcolm X had many supporters. He was held responsible when just a handful of them committed 'terrorist' acts.

Malcolm wasn't innocent in that respect, but far more so than Trump.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

So let's entertain the eating of pets thing was real (it's not)... How do these help with that? In what way is disrupting hospitals obviously leading to patient care declining not 10000% worse than, eating a duck or cat or whatever...?

Fuck sake.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 13 points 2 months ago

And elementary schools! Don't forget elementary schools.

Something something think of the children! calls in bomb threat

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Remember that politics is 98% showmanship bullshit. Substance matters not.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Proud Boys and KKK have showed up. No good will come of this.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 26 points 2 months ago

Genuine question: what's the success rate of catching and prosecuting people who make these kinds of threats?

I'm guessing it's either nearly 100% or depressingly low but nowhere in between.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Much lower if you're a right wing domestic terrorist like these fucks, that's for sure.

Those who work forces...

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd wager a lot of these people are indeed going to be caught because many are Trump cultists without the slightest clue what words like 'opsec' and 'comsec' mean. I think the real danger is the already militarized groups like the proud boys and three percenters using the chaos to sneak in their own bullshit. Essentially thanks to Trump riling up his base it's like a DDOS attack but with terrorists eating up the investigators man-hours instead of a barrage of requests consuming data capacity.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yup, this is a pretty well-known tactic, sadly. It's effectively just paper terrorism - instead of doing the harder work of getting people incited to ACTUALLY kill people or do violence, you get them to do minor shit instead; bomb threats, assaults, etc, and use that as a smokescreen for the people who were already planning to do violence to go do violence effectively unchallenged.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Depends on the color of the person making the threat

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago

It's so nice to get a rerun of the Nazis for those that missed it the first time round.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago

How is disrupting a hospital even relevant? So everyone having babies, heart attacks, strokes, perforated bowels from diverticulitis, kids and adults needing appendix removal, car accident victims (like that school bus), and so much more can’t get care or receive delayed care?

How does that help anything?

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

Terrorist and chief. We have so many more wonderful things to look forward to. The MAGA cult is terrible.

[-] mkhopper@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I wish I could say that once the election is over, all this shit will just fade into the rearview.
Jan 6th 2021 however tells us otherwise.

I fear the coming months.

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