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[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago
[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Refined sugar is generally not good, and certainly whole food sources of carbs are much more beneficial than simple sugars - however, sugar is not nearly as much of a demon as popular health influencers make it out to be. Importantly, it also needs to be kept in mind that the "standard american diet" (sad) or standard western diet is one that's high in animal products, fat (particularly saturated fat), refined carbs; while being low in whole fruits, vegetables, and fiber and phytonutrients in general.

Walter Kempers rice diet is worth learning about. It was a terrible diet - patients could basically only eat white rice, sugar, and fruit. But despite being an absurdly high sugar and high carb diet, a lot of patients saw dramatic improvements in their health, particularly when it came to things like obesity and type 2 diabetes reversal.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information-all/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/

[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Well, thank you for your reasonable response. Have you seen Parks and Rec though? Because your response kind of sounds like it's continuing the joke...

[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Lol. The funny thing is they are kind of technically right. All refined sugars have some harmful effects like blood sugar spikes and inflammation, but corn syrup only has a slightly higher ratio of fructose to glucose as table sugar does. In small, irregular doses it's fine to consume. And for athletes it can even be beneficial since refined carbs can replenish glycogen stores rapidly.

[-] FJT@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Chunk from the Goonies is now skinny compared to your fat ass kids

[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 165 points 2 days ago
[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I haven't watched that show in ages and my brain still accompanies this image with that little musical twang.

[-] thirteene@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

1/4 of Americans are retards

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI&t=16

(It's literally the same joke from the same show)

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[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

It's even better when you consider Kenny is malnourished and extremely poor

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

So they say, but he doesn't look any different than the rest of them under that hood.

[-] alyth@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

lmfao you are a genius

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

One in five children is ~~overweight~~ big-boned

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Totally nothing to do with rising sugar content in all foods globally and lack of proper nutritional foods

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

Exactly. And somehow the top of the article says

According to new research, skipping breakfast or excessive screen time are risk factors for developing obesity

Oh yah, it's definitely because kids skip breakfast (and the 22g of sugar per teaspoon) and screens.

[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

I can get behind the logic of more screen time probably meaning less physical activity. But someone needs to explain to me how eating less would ever lead to weight gain. Especially when your typical breakfast junk is just as unhealthy as snacking could ever be.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

your body adjusts to fasting by increasing hunger hormones and sensitivity to them. This can lead to overconsuming food when its available.

additionally roads and traffic have also reduced effective social and play areas even as vehicles become more dangerous to pedestrians.

Its possible even that the evolutionary adaptation to cars is that low energy kids have less risk of injury/death while more high energy kids get hit by cars, possibly selecting for less active kids generation to generation (notably it may also be selecting for taller heights)

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago

i absolutely hate that this correct answer gets any downvotes.

so much anti-intellectualism on the internet, so much surface level “BuT CaLoRiEs iN CalOriEs OuT” combined with outright denial and doubt of empirical evidence.

humans are a mess. yes, sometimes skipping morning meals can have an effect on the rest of your day and you eat more later. why are we so quick to doubt that?

[-] Chriszz@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Are you disputing CICO or what—assuming you aren’t overeating

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yea i can absolutely see that. Though it's also understandable to doubt it because personally it just doesn't apply - which I think is largely because I don't changr my portion sizes, and I'm probably not the only one. I make food and eat all of it, and I usually eat 2 meals a day + sometimes breakfast. I've found that delaying food intake for as long as possible leads to me eating less overall and losing weight.

In my case, eating breakfast or not is more of a result of how much I ate the previous day.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

also see this comment about that out of context quote:

https://lemmy.cafe/comment/6259728

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

Here you encounter the difference between personal anecdote and statistical averages in risk factors :)

Risk factors don’t mean you, personally are doing something wrong, risk factors just help identify patterns that inform action in health care where it is needed

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah I know, I just meant to state I can see where the initial doubt comes from. I already saw the study further up and the reasoning makes sense.

Though I think with dieting in particular general trends are very hard to apply to individuals (most obvious offender being BMI).

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

General trends should only be applied by trained professionals, such as physicians or dietitians, who can do so with the necessary care and attention. Unless you are a doctor, you’re right that it’s hard! In fact you shouldn’t do it at all.

It is important for people to understand this concept, because it seems to be commonly overlooked. The average person should not create a diet or fitness plan based solely on data like what is discussed in this article. Rather, it is far more healthy to defer to professionals and their recommendations in the form of interpretation of that data for guidance rather than attempting to interpret this information on your own.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

I'm interested in the idea of selection adaptation and motorised vehicles, however I think selective adaptation takes much much much longer than motorised vehicles have been with us so far. We're talking hundreds of years for selective adaptation to take affairs.

I could be wrong about that though.

The more likely adaptation reason currently is that we like over eating. Food used to be scarce, and when it was available you ate as much as you could or you died. The survivors of that scenario are the ones that made us, and as such we love eating lots when it's there.

I think our fascination with sweet foods makes sense from this perspective also. Our ancestors exposure to sweet foods were mostly fruit. Fruit would have improved their immune system significantly. Unfortunately we've since began mass producing sugar which doesn't offer the same benefits, but our bodies are still set up to love that sweet taste.

I'm rambling a bit, but there you go.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Wild fruits were also not very sweet. They didn't get that sweet until we started breeding them to be sweeter.

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[-] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

I know that if I skip a meal, I can get really hungry later. That or I start snacking on crap. So skipping a meal could potentially lead to weight gain because you end up eating more than if you didn't skip the meal.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Edit: My apologies, it’s in the subtitle line cut out of context like this. I think this is the egregious fault of the publisher more than the author, probably some SEO BS, because again this was obviously not the intent of that sentence.

My browser’s reader mode cut out that subtitle line, hence my original comment:

Bad reading of the author’s intent and you ignore the immediately preceding sentence which provides context for your cherry picked quote:

The researchers identified great heterogeneity in the prevalence between countries and also diverse risk factors, from dietary to behavioral.

The intent of that paragraph is to highlight the diversity of risk factors, not to give the most prevalent ones.

When you ask a text to do something it didn’t ever even pretend to want to do, of course you are going to come away disappointed. ~~Media literacy.~~ < Publisher accountability.

[-] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bad reading of the author’s intent and you ignore the immediately preceding sentence which provides context for your cherry picked quote

It is the subtitle in its entirety, as the author of the article intended. That sentence didn't grow legs and and walk all the way up to the top of the article by itself.

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[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If you're blaming rising obesity on sugar, it shows you're more susceptible to marketing than you are knowledgeable about the relevant science.

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Mainly the people who are profiting from anti-carb diet fads - Atkins, keto, paleo, carnivore, etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOQOP3G1go

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the link, I started watching but ill have to finish later.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 day ago

Heads up for other confused readers, that subheading…

“According to new research, skipping breakfast or excessive screen time are risk factors for developing obesity…”

Is egregiously cut out of context, I am guessing by the publishing site. In context, that quote is meant to hilight the wide variety of risk factors for obesity, not to suggest that those are the most common or significant.

I wish there was a way to reach out to correct this error but I couldn’t find one.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

we chose 🛻🚗🛻 over kids.

I was so amazed at European and Asian cities that had good public transportation. Just being able to walk everywhere.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Anyone know how skipping breakfast contributes? It seems like it would do the opposite.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 day ago

you may end up eating more later in the day.

research

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Sometimes it works the other way. We cannot get our teenage daughter to eat anything but junk food half the time and yet she's far thinner than either of us were as teenagers. Neither of us can understand it.

[-] Voran@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Could be something she does is burning energy and you haven't figured out what.

I used to wonder why I never gained weight despite eating twice what other people did...I never thought to factor in being extremely active because it was normal for me. I didn't think brutal martial arts classes or 5k runs counted as being 'active'. I thought it was normal.

Granted I wasn't underweight and didn't need to gain but I really wanted to look like Zarya from Overwatch

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

You can be thin eating any type of food. It’s generally just far easier to over-consume junk food, but if she’s not eating too much it won’t inherently lead to weight gain

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

Not for long

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