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[-] stickyShift@midwest.social 118 points 2 years ago
[-] lugal@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Let's hope it's not the last one...

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[-] popcap200@lemmy.ml 103 points 2 years ago

It really is hard to put Republican assholery on a scale of "worst in our lifetime".

GWB got us in multiple multiple decade long wars.

Mitt Romney or Dick Cheney might have turned the great recession into another great depression.

Trump nearly got us into another full blown recession, got rid of Roe V Wade, tried to overturn Democracy, and nearly got us into a war with Iran.

Trump this time around will try to overturn Democracy again, might bring back the full blown recession we almost had, will let Russia steamroll Ukraine, will support Israel harder than any US president, etc. etc.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

But it's fearmongering, and you AREN'T going to scare THESE ubermensch with your dastardly threats of "Literally what the opposition has promised to do"! That's what WEAK people fall for.

Or something like that.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

You forgot the grandfather of assholery, Ronald Regan. 90 % of the fuckery today can be linked back to that piece of shit.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It goes back before that, when Boothe killed Lincoln and reconstruction failed and we let the south keep southing it got fucked.

Nixon recognized it and used it to get elected, and Reagan got the economy fucking us, and Bush 2 profited from starting wars on surpluses from the previous administration. Then trump wasted Obama’s hard work on the economy with tax cuts and shit handling of a pandemic.

[-] audiomodder 6 points 2 years ago

Oh, I completely agree. Republicans have consistently gotten worse. At the same time, so has literally every Democrat since Carter. Every Democratic president since Clinton has moved to the right. For example: Obamacare? More like exactly what Reagan proposed to “fix” the insurance industry. And people forget that Biden was the “moderate” to pull that crazy “leftist Obama” back towards the “center”. And now Biden is called a crazy leftist. So now we have 2 right-wing choices. One that thinks capitalism fixes everything, supports genocide because it’s profitable, and says “but we like queer people (as long as they have money and don’t ask for anything)”. The other is a literal fascist. The fact is that either party is good for big business and bad for everyone else.

[-] GhostTheToast@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

It's a bit reductionist to boil Obama down to the shit implementation of Obamacare that the GOP killed in the womb. I encourage you to read on it. TL;DR, it was gonna be pretty good, but the GOP threw a fit that it was going to be a win for Dems and tanked it. You're also leaving out the fact that Obama expanded gay rights and got talking about climate change on a policy level. Should both of those things happened sooner? Yes, but that's letting perfect be the enemy of good.

Biden isn't amazing and honestly, I don't care for him much. However, I doubt he letting the genocide in Gaza happen for profits. With the Dem's own party, Israel is a divisive issue and I'm sure he's having to tread carefully so it doesn't shoot in the foot later because politicians are scummy petty people

[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The ACA that wasn’t all it could have been was STILL a huge improvement and completely moved the battle lines on healthcare.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I saaaay we stop being nice and start working together. These two things are the big problems of the left.

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[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 93 points 2 years ago

It's like all those "heat records" that supposedly "proves" that climate is "changing".

Every single month they keep getting broken, sheesh!

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It looks like a conspiracy if you ask me - all those "scientists" with their... "facts"! Everyone saying the same thing all the time - it sure sounds like they are pushing an agenda to me! What if I don't want to be educated though - did they ever stop to think about that, hrm!?

[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

How dare you provide "scientific" proofs? What do you think this is, a logical discussion?? I need someone to yell the facts at me, that way they'll sink in more better

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 9 points 2 years ago

Okay then... how's this?

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It must be a cyber Greta /s 🤣

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

And they aren't wrong. Every current election is the most important of your life. Not just presidential. If you choose not to participate intelligently. And loose access or rights as a result. You will likely never get them back.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

No, no, this time they're going to SHOW the mean ol' democrats by voting third party. When the opposition, consisting of literal fascists who tried an autocoup the last time they were in power, ensures they never have a say again, it won't bother them a single goddamn bit.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 years ago

archcomrade

What's the chances this isn't a tankie?

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 44 points 2 years ago

What Republicans realized decades ago is this is fundamentally true. Every election is the most important election. They just leave off the "...so far" that should be at the end of the statement.

I think before Reagan (or maybe Gingrich) people could reasonably see some elections as less consequential than others. But the Republicans realized that it's all about building. Build a bench of charismatic, intelligent, possibly sociopathic individuals. Get them in local government and then state government and then federal government. Tell your base voters that you're building something that will one day pay off.

Just keep building, just keep building, and one day you have a juggernaut. Especially if your opponents didn't build to match.

Democrats spent the 80s and 90s assuming the status was quo. They spent the last half of the 90s and the 00s living in the fantasy that what people liked about Clinton was the fiscal conservatism without the religion, so they should be more conservative.

Only very recently have progressives started breaking through.

Now we have to build.

Luckily the Republicans have hitched their wagon to a human wrecking ball. That might let Democrats catch up sooner than they otherwise would.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 2 years ago

Is Midwest.Social an offshoot of Hexbear or something?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 36 points 2 years ago
[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Careful. I've heard that's still in the splash zone

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Midwest.social is the only whole instance that I suspect of being operated at least partly by shill / propaganda accounts. Maybe that's a weird outlandish accusation to make, but some of the admins are on the "no voting for Biden amirite" train which is unusual. And it's not the holistic "we are out of our gourds on all geopolitical issues" way that Hexbear users are. Midwest.social is like radical left people but a large part of the left radical criticism seems to be directed only at the Democrats. And, the whole "We are Midwest, we are from Ohio, look, it says [Ohio] right after my user name so you know I'm from the Midwest" thing is weird. There are plenty of regional servers but none of them give me the same "yo wtf is up with that" vibe like midwest.social does.

IDK. Maybe that sounds uncompelling, like an extraordinary claim with very sketchy evidence. But I looked around it a bit and it seemed just sort of off in a way that's hard now for me to articulate beyond saying that it seemed weird.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think it's outlandish; that's exactly what I've noticed from every single post coming from the instance or it's users and why it feels like Hexbear. Just constant, obnoxious hot takes about throwing away their vote because "both sides bad" instead of constant obnoxious hot takes about communist countries.

[-] oddsbodkins@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I joined it because "Midwest". To be frank though. Local posts are in the 10s a day. I never see them unless i select local only. I've seen a fair bit more left position represented than would seem representative of the Midwest. Not that it's a bad thing. There is an instance pinned post about the administration standing with the protesters. Which again isn't specifically a bad thing. (I'll look at the discourse inside later) I see screechy hyperbolic posts about "genocide Joe" getting generally down voted. So I can't make any real comments about any strong vibe. But no. Not all of us are coping with severe head trauma like archcomrade.

I think it's safe to say he may just be loud, obnoxious, and perceived as being more representative than they are. Due to how inactive the rest of us seem to be.

[-] stickyShift@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago

There are dozens of us!

I would say my experience on midwest.social aligns with Lemmy's population as a whole - generally left of (US) center, with a few further left folks. Most of the content is either midwest-specific news or LOTR memes, probably makes sense that the only content that gets widely upvoted by Lemmy at large is the left-leaning memes.

I haven't seen anything nearly as extreme as the posts/comments from hexbear/grad/ml, but I wouldn't be surprised if users from those instances have accounts on multiple instances to push propaganda.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

OP's name is also Hella sus.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Oh no! Not what a yiffit user thinks!

Anyway...

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[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I mean this one it is actually true.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

I know I'll get downvotes to hell for saying this, but I think RFK would make a great president.

I know he's said some shit before. I'm aware of the ivermectin solution against COVID and some other bad stuff he said. But I think he based these ideas on the wrong information and wrong advice that he received. But his heart is at the right place.

He's done some great work at defending the environment and defending workers' rights and fight against corporations, which are things he genuinely cares about very much.

I think with the proper counsel that white horse experts can provide him, he can be a very good president.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

One of the main jobs of the president is assigning work to other people. The president isn’t supposed to be the best economist, the best strategist, the top scientist, or the best trade planner. They’re supposed to make decisions based on the input of the people they selected for the position.

My biggest concern with Bernie (who is someone I absolutely admire and who I’ve supported for decades) is that he is total crap at picking staff and then he stays loyal to them.

There’s a tendency in western political philosophy that basically says that the king himself is a good person, but he has bad advisors. This is done for ego-saving, as people would rather criticize advisors than the king.

RFK is truly unhinged. He’s a conspiracy theorist. He’s the weird uncle you don’t invite to Thanksgiving. I wouldn’t let him house sit for me. If the guy can’t even win over his family members, I don’t think he’s promising. He’s being funded to run as a spoiler by the opposition, and I expect his support to plummet as soon as he’s actually put in front of a mic and gets national attention. Remember when Herman Cain was the Republican front runner until people figured out more about him? I think this is basically that.

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[-] proudblond@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

To your last point, we always said that at least GWB had “good advisors” but that just made him easier to manipulate. I don’t think it’s bad that we expect the president of the whole country to be smart. I want them to be smarter than me!

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