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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I hear "No problem" far more often.

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[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 130 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Years ago, I had to do customer service training for a job, and one thing they said is to always say "you're welcome" instead of "no problem", because some people think "no problem" is rude. But I think it's a generational thing, and it's kind of the opposite with younger folks.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Cup my balls!

Sorry, that might be regional...

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[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

As you wish

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[-] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 14 points 6 months ago

I have a friend who loses his mind when anyone uses this (who isn’t Australian.) He is also not Australian, not sure what his burden is

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hit him with a "No wukkas mate" that will sort him right out

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[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 months ago

I think we collectively decided that “you’re welcome” doesn’t make sense. Welcome to what??

[-] acastcandream@beehaw.org 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] artichokecustard@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

you're whale cum

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[-] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Nothing is worse than other options though like Chic fil a's mandated "my pleasure"

[-] SnotFlickerman 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

When a chic-fil-a worker hits you with that, you gotta one-up them with "No! The pleasure is all mine!" and then hit the gas, peeling out cackling because you stole that pleasure motherfuckaaaaah.

(Or better, don't go to chic-fil-a)

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[-] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 months ago

I think a lot of younger generation, myself included, prefer casual responses, conflating professionalism with being rude, slimy, or otherwise malintentioned

[-] illi@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

I had to do one communucation trainung where the trainer saud that saying "no problem" should not be used, because it implies there might've been a problem. I was not convinced though.

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Wow. facepalm The words literally say there's no problem, and yet it somehow implies there is a problem? Talk about overthinking what someone is saying.

This is why I often hate neurotypical communication styles. The world would be a lot more straightforward if people just said what they meant. Jesus fucking Christ on a motorbike...

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[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 13 points 6 months ago

Then "your welcome" implies you might not be welcome. Seems like either both work or both are problematic, he can't have it both ways.

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[-] BluJay320 92 points 6 months ago

I see “no problem” as nicer. If I say that, I’m expressing that I really don’t mind, and there’s no need to thank me. No problem, as in I had no problem with doing this thing

“You’re welcome” feels more like “I appreciate you thanking me, because I went out of my way to do this”, if that makes any sense

[-] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 6 months ago

Huh, to me, YW is much more gracious and positive that you're happy to do it, while NP is more like "it was a tolerable burden".

Though for paid service I don't like expected faux enthusiasm. I think "of course" is classy and not demeaning then, meaning "it's what I'm here for".

[-] Drusenija@lemmy.world 83 points 6 months ago

Here's a response I've seen about this around the net for a while now that feels right.

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"Actually, the “you’re welcome/no problem” issue is simply a linguistics misunderstanding. Older ppl tend to say “you’re welcome,” younger ppl tend to say “no problem.” This is because for older people the act of helping or assisting someone is seen as a task that is not expected of them, but is them doing extra, so it’s them saying, ‘I accept your thanks because I know I deserve it.”

“No problem, however, is used because younger people feel not only that helping or assisting someone is a given and expected but also that it should be stressed that your need for help was no burden to them (even if it was).”

“Basically, older people think help is a gift you give, younger people think help is a requirement.”

https://didyouknowfacts.com/why-young-people-say-no-problem-instead-of-youre-welcome-and-why-older-people-hate-it/

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

That’s some stereotyping ageist bullshit.

[-] Drusenija@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

To be fair, with no data to back it up, this is just an anecdote. So saying it's stereotyping ageist bullshit is a perfectly valid response to it. I just felt it fit the question quite well so I went and dug it up and shared it. If you feel differently, no stress!

The reality is going to be different to everyone, and it's as much a learned behaviour as anything else. It's not like collectively an entire generation got together and decided "it's 'no problem' now instead of 'you're welcome', okay?" Language evolves over time after all, and knowing why that happens and the actual causes for it are something that will require a lot more analysis than a couple of anecdotes from the internet.

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[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

you can say "you're welcome", its no problem

you can also say "no problem"

hope this helps, you're welcome

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I saw a post a while back that said millennials use "no problem" instead of "you're welcome" because no problem signifies the act was of little effort and was no problem to do. However, "you're welcome" implies entitlement, as in you are welcomed to my time and effort, or some shit. I don't remember, but yeah, just a "generational thing."

So yeah it's a "can I speak to your manager" boomer thing, as usual. Only group I ever see getting their panties in a wad over a phrase. Just like "Merry Christmas" changing to "Happy Holidays" erases their religion or dares to put other similar holidays, in the same approximate time of the year on equal footing, making their religious holiday less significant.

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 44 points 6 months ago

Languages change over time. As long as the intent is clear, don't get hung up on what is and isn't "correct". "You're welcome" probably was seen as extreme at some point itself.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

I mean, I'm fully on board with not getting hung up on what's "correct", but these are words that do have a specific meaning and I do find it interesting that the preferred choice of words shifts (even if it is only caused by relatively few people, that actually think about their word choice there).

Specifically, "no problem" is kind of like saying "there's nothing to thank me for". And ultimately, it kind of says "I don't expect something in return".

Whereas "you're welcome" acknowledges that yes, I did help you, you are right to thank me for that, and also kind of "I would appreciate you returning the favor".

My personal theory is that the change in language happens, because we have a lot more contacts with strangers, either in big/foreign cities or online.
When you help a stranger, you know upfront that they won't be able to return the favor, simply because you won't stay in contact. So, not only should it definitely not be a personal sacrifice for you to help them, it also feels right to communicate that they don't owe you anything, so that they can go on in their life.

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[-] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 36 points 6 months ago

The appropriate response is that the debt must be repaid in kind, within the fortnight, lest their house fall into disrepute

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[-] amio@kbin.social 33 points 6 months ago

"You're welcome" was always taught to me as the proper thing, but sounds slightly stilted. They express the same sentiment, roughly, but "[it was] no problem" is arguably clearer about it. I personally just think it's a slightly "nicer" nuance.

Of course, sometimes maybe it actually was a problem, and then I'd only say it if going out of my way to be nice about it.

[-] SuperApples@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Yes, to me, the nuance is what's important here.

"You're welcome" implies you did something good, and you know it. "I am good for doing this for you. You owe me!"

Whereas "no problem" implies it didn't cause you any trouble. "Doing this for you was not detrimental to my life. You owe me nothing."

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[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

I always go with 'No worries' or 'All good', because 'You're welcome' feels too formal for everyday conversations, plus as another comment mentioned it's a generational thing as well

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[-] SnotFlickerman 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Disclaimer: These are just my dumb thoughts with zero scientific evidence. Consider the opinion accordingly.

I think it's tied to how overwhelmed everyone is at all times now. Part of it is often "thanks" is said while someone is beelining out the door, so you don't often have an opportunity to even say "you're welcome." Further, "no problem" is far more indicative of "actually, you didn't inconvenience me at all by getting my help" in a society where everyone is absolutely time-starved due to overwork/underpay. It's saying to the person saying "thank you" that "it's okay to have minorly inconvenienced me, it was worth doing anyway."

Because yes, I am more likely to say "no problem" at this point than "you're welcome" because most of the time I am dispensing technical information and advice that people usually have to pay to get. That's the other aspect of it too, we've normalized that you have to pay to get anything decent (service or product) and so people offering technical skills and advice outside of a payment plan is definitely viewed differently.

"You're welcome" is valid but just doesn't play well in a fast-paced society where everyone expects to have to pay through the nose for decent help and generally doesn't have the time to give out those kind of favors themselves.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 37 points 6 months ago

in a society where everyone is absolutely time-starved due to overwork/underpay

“You’re welcome” can almost appear condescending or stuck up in those situations whereas “No problem” comes across as an attempt to be a little more genuine

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's funny you say that because some older people see no problem as rude. Like I know it wasn't a problem haha

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago

that’s when you hit them with “okay, boomer”

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago

I think to a lot of younger people, "You're Welcome" is the thing one older person insisted you say when you absolutely do not actually mean it. So younger people have found something else to say when they actually do mean it.

[-] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I read somewhere a few years ago that the decline of "you're welcome" is due to a shifting in definitions or whatever- "you're welcome" has come to mean "you are always welcome to my free labor" whereas "no problem" says something more like "I don't have an issue spending my time on you."

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 19 points 6 months ago

Hey do you guys know what “you’re welcome” is in Spanish? “De Nada” which means “of nothing”. Sounds almost like, “no problem”.

This phrase isn’t new, either. It’s been around for centuries, just like the first instances of “you’re welcome”.

[-] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Because the customer has become an entitled piece of shit and you don't tell an abuser "you're welcome."

[-] mdhughes@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

Most languages respond something like "it's nothing", de nada. English is a little weird saying "welcome".

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[-] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

Interestingly, Tom Scott did a video about this a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGnH0KAXhCw

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[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

You’re welcome to use language however you want, regardless of what the algorithm decides.

[-] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

It's just a phatic expression. It's largely a generational difference which one is considered the more polite one.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

"My pleasure" is another alternative. I helped you because it makes me feel good, so you're doing me the favor.

Obsequious in a business setting, but nice in a social situation.

[-] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

I don't say it because you are, in fact, not welcome. I finish interactions with customers, even when they say thank you to me, by saying "thank you, have a nice day", as my non fireable version of "I'll thank you to kindly fuck off now."

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[-] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I'm a fan of the local nae bother from my country.

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 9 points 6 months ago

I usually like to run away when someone says "thanks!"

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[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I usually say "of course" or "absolutely" instead of "you're welcome" or "no problem."

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