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Why would she react like that to a phonecall?
Young people don't call unless it's serious business.
Why she reacted like that while also knowing her dad still calls people? No idea
Not just young people. I've seen this kind of behavior in surprisingly old people such as Gen X and even Baby Boomers, but I've seen it in a LOT of millennials, the youngest of whom are now in their early thirties and the oldest are in their forties.
Not just young people. I am 48, and if I get a call from my mom I would’ve thought something happened to my dad.
Yep. Basically any generation that grew up with texting and chat kinda leans this way... so millennials and younger. But also some gen x.
Phone calls are for things that can't wait and need the other person to drop what they're doing, and things urgent like that tend to be medical or work stuff. Or things time sensitive in another way.
Demanding the other person stop what they're doing to attend to you immediately is considered kinda rude for minor topics when such an easy and less pushy alternative is available.
Yep same. I text and Snapchat with my mom daily. If she calls, shit went down.
Lmao this thread is so weird to read. My parents call me all the time to ask how I am. I also call them. And my friend from time to time and he calls me. Samesies for my fiancée. Normal stuff.
Hmm, I wonder if it could a cultural thing?
I'm a millennial in Sweden and I have not experienced this phenomenon unless the person suffers social anxiety, though I must admit I have little contact with people under 25.
To me a call is convenient when I'm biking or working with my hands, and I can't tell you how many times a simple phonecall spared me endless back and forth over text or e-mail.
Maybe I'm desensitized since I constantly receive and make calls at work.
Because phonecalls are reserved for when you immediately with no delay need someone.
Asking about a show is not one of those cases.
Why not text 'wanna talk sometime'? A call demands an immediate response, so reserve it for things that demand immediate responses.
No it doesn't. Just don't pick up the phone. If it's important they'll text you to pick up the phone. There's a reason the terms "phone tag" and "screening calls" exist.
But you don't know the relative importance of what they're telling vs what you're doing. A text gives more information than just seeing your receiving a call.
That’s why people leave voicemails… you leave a verbal note of why you’re calling. And if the receiver prefers to read a text about it, several services transcribe voicemails automatically good enough to get the general gist. Or they can listen to them.
The point is that people usually don’t set out to ruin your day or misbehave, and you cannot control other people’s experience, expectations and preferences, only your own. So it’s on you to know yourself well enough to manage your boundaries appropriately with technology/tools, and possibly communication, and not to blame other people for “missteps”. When what they are doing is likely perfectly within the realm of reason to them.
Especially if they have a disability and calls are easier for them. If you have the disability, you can communicate your preferences but don’t expect people to know immediately. Set up your tech accordingly to communicate your needs. And acclimate where you can.
If things “escalate”.. well… it’s likely your fault. We always need to look at our part first.
Nothing good ever came out of a voicemail I received. Disabled and wont enable again. Text me if it's important enough for me to call back with a brief topic. I don't call back if I don't get a text, that's reserved for maybe 5 people on earth.
Great. That’s your boundary. Sounds like you have disabled them permanently. I’m saying that people should use tools, and communication when necessary, to exercise their own boundaries, like you, rather than make meanings or assumptions, or expect others to be mindreaders.
I use these. But they're less direct and easier to misunderstand than if it was native text. If someone wants to say it, they can voice type as well.
I actually agree with you on that one. I hate voicemail. If I don't pick up, shoot me a text or send a voice recording through the messaging app.
I don't even get how voicemail works, last time I checked there was like 6 "unread" voicemails from months ago I never knew I'd gotten and it was just my mom saying "please call me back" or some inaudible noise and figuring out how to delete them is a pain too.
That sounds like something pretty heavily in the "you problem" zone. If it's going to be acceptable to look down on folks who don't understand stuff like chat apps, not understanding voicemail is still "oh god i am not good with technology how did i get here"
Damn dude, it's not that big a deal. Just don't pick up the phone. If it's important they'll find a way to let you know.
if you don't pick up they'll get mad and say you never pick up your phone
I don't mind much. I just don't call because it wastes people's time. But I don't want to let it go to voice mail because then it wastes their time.
It wastes time if they're doing something more important and can't talk right now. Not everything I want to talk about is of earth shattering importance, so it isn't always worth their time if their doing something that is more important. If their time is more valuable sometimes, why is it bad that my conversation or question is less valuable than that? Sometimes I just want to catch up.
You will feel terrible if you don't pick up the phone and it turns out to be something important, like being able to hear the last words of your grandma or something.
Texting is a lot less of a big deal than a phone call is.
Thanks for waking me up from the one nap I've gotten this year.
Unless you know for sure that the other person is legitimately bored, sitting around not doing anything, imposing yourself on someone like this is rude.
You would have, if you knew how important it was.
But you can't know that of a phone call, with a text you can.
So when you "just want to talk" you call someone out of the blue and just expect them to stop what they're doing and have a little chat? I had a friend like that and I hated it because they always called at the worst moments so I wouldn't pick up and then they assumed I disliked them and played the victim by a mutual friend. That's when I actually started disliking them. So don't randomly call people please thank you.
Also texting someone instead of talking isn't antisocial behaviour. You can say as much in a text as you can say in a call and the other person can reply to your text and continue doing what they're doing at the same time.
Only when you are illiterate can you not say in a text what you can in a call.
how is that antisocial?
Maybe this is just me and my circle but if someone just wants to talk I'd typically expect that more over discord or something like that rather than phone call unless they're older.
Other than that phone call is for urgent stuff or something that's going to have a lot of back and forth and is quicker pver phone.
In our family it looks exactly like this, that's why I found it very funny :)
We usually just chat (or videochat) and when f.e. dad randomly calls me then it's some serious business. And for that brief moment my mind jumps to most catastrophic scenarios why he could be calling me. And I think it goes both ways because when I call dad the first question usually is "Hi, did something happen?"
I react this way when my mom calls because she never calls me and the one time she did, it was because my grandmother died.
I can see why you'd fear phone calls then. In my family I get a call from my dad about once a week to ask about my day. Usually the family texts more in the mornings, and more phone calls in the evening. Plus for a while I had to pick up the phone anytime someone called for work reasons. You just get used to it after a while.
Crippling socal anxiety
Probably a normal thing in the US, where families are so broken by default a simple call from a parent sounds like a disaster.
Why use a communication mode that demands an immediate response if you don't actually need one?
Same reason people at home just come up to each other and start talking (which actually requires immediate response) even when the topic is non-urgent whatsoever, instead of leaving notes around the house.
It's all based on differing conventions among people, so saying a call "demands immediate response" is putting your convention above others as the only true one.
In my family the convention is a bit different. A single call does not signal any urgency and so no one is expected nor obliged to answer if they don't feel like it. A second call after the first one wasn't answered implies importance. Third and more calls imply urgency and then emergency. If something is important or urgent and calls aren't getting answered, a message is sent.
I like my convention. I also have slightly different conventions with some friends. I am also aware different people may have different conventions and I don't hold mine to be superior or theirs inferior.
Because sometimes it's easier. Sometimes you just want to hear your kid's voice. The horror.
Text 'can we call? I'd love to talk sometime!'
No, it is not normal thing in the US.
Broken? What are you talking about? My dad started leaving me home alone for weeks at a time at age 12. By age 16 it was months at a time, and my house became the place where other kids came to hang out. I graduated college, or University. Then became a heroin addict. My family stopped talking to me because of this thing called “tough love”. Now, I’m all better and have my own family with kids and a partner, but my dad and sister wonder why I won’t let them be a part of it (my mom died when I was 8).
You know regular all American family. Nothing weird, or dysfunctional here. Definitely not broken.
Why so hostile?
because why would you call someone if not for something very urgent?