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If this is you, consider joining or supporting The Satanic Temple. This is why they exist, and they do more meaningful and practical good than a meme religion.
One of the core tenants of Pastafarianism is being too lazy or broke (or both) to actually contribute
"We don't like religious symbols in public space, so let's put more of these, yay!"
"Proselytism is bad, so we need to recruit more people to fight it."
"The guy at the top is not a Nazi anymore, so it's fine."
Yeah, they try to put non-religious things instead like cool Dante's inferno statues. End result is that the religious symbols are banned, or if they aren't, that there are other non-religious symbols around them. As much as they are a religion legally, they are atheists and their symbols are not religious, just fancy branding.
Yeah, what's weird about that? Fire is bad so we need to recruit more firefighters to fight it. TST does not proselytize, as they don't try to convert you into any religion. The are just an NGO.
They are religious, because Satanism is a religion. I am a member of TST and a religious Satanist. This is covered in the FAQ on TST's website.
TST is an atheistic religion. That is not a contradiction because you don't need to believe in gods to have a religion (see also Buddhism).
They did try to put a baphomet statue in front of a 10 commandments monument in Arkansas. They are fighting for a plurality of religion, not secularism.
If I wanted to contribute to a secular cause, I would much rather contribute to a secular organization to begin with.
But the only times you hear of them is when people are trying to get more folk implied (or when they send a lawsuit, but that's an other story). TST plays the card of a non profit when they don't want to be associated with religious weirdos, and the card of religion when they want a special treatment. In the end it's a knockoff religion that hijacked the name "satanism" while replicating what they denounce of christians.
It's much closer to putting up advertisement against advertisement.
That's not true. It's a bunch of for-profit organizations coupled with a recognized nonprofit church so they can be exempted from taxation. See here : https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php/The_Satanic_Wiki . Also, as a supposedly non-profit org, they do not disclose their financial information, which is usually a big red flag.
Yes, and that's plain old recrutiment/advertising of their cause. Proselytization refers to trying to convert someone to a religion, which they don't do.
Correct.
Yes, so an NGO. Where did I say they are a non-profit?
They do claim it's a religion. It is legally a religion. When they are recruiting, it is proselytism. Also, proselytism is part of the definition of a church in most countries, that is why, for instance, the Church of Satan is not legally a church in the US, because they do not proselytize. By their own saying and by the government, TST is a religion and they do proselytize.
You said it is just an NGO. I mean, yeah, but you could say that about pretty much anything. But clearly there is something more to it than the average NGO, with them being both a church and a couple for-profit organizations.
I've never heard of TST proselytizing. When and where have you seen this?
Please post evidence for this.
The US government is pretty hands-off when it comes to deciding what is and isn't a religion. It's that whole First Amendment thing.
Well, here and now, with the original comment asking to join them. I do have some anecdotes but they aren't really relevant here, I guess.
Here is the CRA rule and the IRS one
Both state that "advancement of religion" is a requirement, which is quite close to proselytizing (promoting and manifesting religious belief).
The thing is that both countries were funded by christian people, so their definition of religion is biased towards it, so you can't really have an individualistic religion like satanism be recognized.
We can also note that Canada is discriminating against non-theistic religions and asks quite explicitly to "support and maintain missions and missionaries to propagate the faith". Canada is still a religious state, after all.
The CRA doesn't use the word "and". It's "or".
Meaning it's optional. Also, "promoting" is quite vague. TST doesn't qualify in any case, though, because what are they "manifesting, promoting, sustaining, or increasing belief" of?
So yeah. Non-theistic Satanism doesn't apply. We have reverence, we have doctrines and observances...we do not have a Supreme anything.
TST primarily operates in the USA, so the IRS code is much more relevant. Let's see which part of this applies:
That's it? "Advancement" is even more vague than "promoting"! I can do a lot of things that "advance" my religion without trying to recruit people. Adding more programs to my congregation, for example. Hey, now we have a book club! Satanism has been advanced.
In fact, I think that most Satanists would say that trying to recruit wouldn't be advancement at all...it would be a big step backwards.
Someone missed the point