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Honestly, after Picard and Discovery I'm pretty much done with "New Trek", I've lost my interest. For this I'm not even the target audience - this seems aimed at teens / young adults. And it's once again produced by Alex Kurzman. So... yeah, I'm gonna give it a pass.
LD and SNW are easily some of the best Trek series.
How would TNG have fared if people dipped out at ep 2?
True, I may not have given SNW the chance it deserved. I've watched all 3 seasons of Picard though and almost 2 seasons of Discovery
So, why didn't you like Discovery?
For me, Star Trek was mostly about a possible brighter future. Humanity overcame the issues on earth, no longer relies on money/capitalism, etc. When your watch the crew on TNG, they are acting professionally and with a code of ethics.
Discovery is so miserable. Everyone is angry all the time, there's racism, lots of unnecessary drama, people acting extremely unprofessionally. Same with Picard. Especially sour about how they made one of the best characters - Q - also very serious and miserable. He could've been the comedic relief the series needed, without undermining the rest of the story. The "Picard speeches" are just badly written too, so whimsical and empty.
We have a million dystopian Sci-fi series already, why do we need more? I feel writers are no longer able to tell compelling stories without fake drama. It's possible to engage with modern day issues in a different way, especially by showing how to be better.
I hated Discovery. Didn't make it through season 1. Thanks for so clearly explaining why. AND convincing me not to bother with Picard.
Discovery changed a lot season-to-season. As did Picard.
Did it become any less miserable?
Discovery became increasingly hopeful and positive as it went on.
Worth watching through season two at least if you haven’t already done so.
I liked seasons three and five a lot.
Season four has a really great classic Trek premise but the constraints of the COVID protocols led to some dialogue that’s over drawn out (Picard season two suffers the same).
I was hardly the target audience for Lower Decks; in fact, I was a little mad they had made an adult animated Star Trek comedy. However, after watching it, it has become a favorite. Season 1 is a bit difficult to get through, but once you get through that, overall, it's a show that's very sincere to what Star Trek is while still being a comedy. And it should have gotten 2 more seasons.
Same with Star Trek: Prodigy: it takes a second, and it's still technically a kids show, but when it gets there, it's worth it.
Honestly, I'm half hopeful for the show just because it's a "We're going for the {X} demographic" kind of show that sounds a little like a stupid idea that will actually turn out unexpectedly good but get cancelled before its time.
Same for me.
Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?
I see them prioritizing:
...
Kurzman really destroyed trek.
I will see what comes out in the first 3 episodes, but as with discovery, I have extremely little expectations. Discovery ruined new trek for me: still cannot get over the mushroom drive and waterbear providing maps by shocking it with electricity, constantly whispering and whining of the main character, another crybaby destroyed dilithium in the galaxy because he has a 'connection'... Take your pick
They do have some good casting, like Tig Notaro. Hope there are other good ones as well.
if you're posting about diversity being a negative, you've totally missed the point of all Star Trek since 1966.
I doubt that's what they meant, partly because it really doesn't seem to apply to either Disco or Picard. Both had their fair share of issues in the writing, but I wouldn't say tokenism was among them (unless you count Disco's bury-your-gays moment, but they course corrected on that).
Yep. Exactly my point.
It's not that diversity is a negative. It's a plus and a core part of Star Trek from the beginning. NuTrek has great diversity and terrible story telling that feels like it's using the diversity as a crutch.
It's like Ben and Arthur. I totally support the message that gay marriage should be allowed. However the movie is complete garbage because of how bad the story is told.
I'm bothered by the false dichotomy made in the original post, though. The diversity isn't the cause of bad storytelling. The problem isn't that they prioritised one thing over another. Casting a white male lead on Discovery wouldn't have given them more time to work out the plot, or a more talented stable of writers. The two are completely orthogonal to one another.
If someone wants to criticise the storytelling, they can just do that. There's no reason to bring up diversity unless they have some desire to scapegoat it.
Every time I see a 'Kurtzman bad' post, I think about the molesting of female actors that Rick Berman did. I think of the power hungry swings of manipulation he wielded over anyone who tried to leave.
I think of Maurice Hurley, who got McFadden fired on false pretences because she dared to stand up to his sexist shit.
I think of Gene Roddenberry, of his persistent meddling and manipulation. Of his theft of ideas and royalties. Of the fact that he is almost certainly the attempted rapist of the era.
Get the fuck over yourselves. 'I dont like Kurtzman's story ideas' puts him leagues ahead of the literal legacy of sex offenders that ran the show before.
Kurtzman is by all accounts a good person. He is however terrible at making good entertainment and a specially good Startrek.
Why is that a problem? In TOS, Klingons were the enemy, then TNG brought us Worf. In TNG, the Ferengi were the enemy, then in DS9 Nog joined up. Star Trek is all about coming together and overcoming differences.
I wish. They’ve cancelled all the shows with queer representation. SNW has about a hundred relationships going on, all straight. I miss Disco and Lower Decks.
none of those are explicitly evolved and bred by another race to act as their cannon fodder, and kept in-line by psychoactive substances they are genetically engineered to die without.
sure you can argue that they can be fixed by medicine and deprogramming, but it would be a bit like a new star wars film having a battle droid as a jedi padawan
If the Dominion has had any sort of reformation at all over the last several hundred years, I would think that freeing the Jem'Hadar would have been near the top of the "to do" list.
It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.
I agree, but also… you know if battle droids existed in Star Trek there’d be at least one episode where one of them breaks with its programming and comes to Starfleet seeking asylum. Like the exocomps, or Hugh in “I, Borg”, or even Data getting his day in court to prove his free will. Star Trek wants everyone to be free, whatever they’re made out of.
I'll take droid rights seriously as soon as Star Wars does. 😂
no that's fair, they're more like a clone army.
Did you watch The Bad Batch?
no i gave up on star wars completely in 2017 or so. it just depressed me too much that there always needed to be new things and that everything needed a tie-in.