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In the minute possibly that a TOS continuation were to happen, where should they start from?

Would they go from end of TAS in 2270, or would they start from end of TOS in 2269, overlapping in time with TAS?

In the latter case, I would hope they do it so it’s in-between star dates of TAS to avoid bungling the chronology.

This also opens up the possibility for retelling some TAS episodes; I think most TAS episodes best belong in TAS, with the TAS camp and overall continued TOS storytelling conventions being fundamental to their charm. Live action remakes of a lot of these episodes would probably serve just to strip them of their soul rather than add anything.

The main exception I can think of might be “Yesteryear”; I think having an “extended version” as a full 50 minute episode or even possibly a 2-parter could allow them to add more depth to the story in a way that doesn’t severely break canon, showing more of Spock’s family life and school life as well as Vulcan society in general. I think this is a big story well-suited to newer Trek’s more dramatic storytelling style.

I think the biggest difficulty might be how they would handle young Michael Burnham in this episode. I think the easiest thing to do would be to just say Burnham’s parents were killed in December 2236 and “Yesteryear” happened in January 2237 a couple weeks to a month before Sarek took in Burnham. While I don’t necessarily hate the idea of young Burnham, I think Spock dealing with suddenly having a new adoptive sister would unnecessarily convolute the plot, so my solution works around that. I don’t want Yesteryear to be turned from a coming-of-age and being different story to one about sibling bonding. Then again, maybe they can pull it off and make something good.

What are your thoughts on this? Any other TAS episodes you think could benefit from being adapted into a live action episode?

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The title refers to Khan and McGivers’ discussion about the importance of memorialising the dead, which he describes as magical thinking - the state of mind that connects seemingly unrelated events or phenomena, usually with supernatural causes. In psychiatric terms, it is thinking that one’s inner beliefs and thoughts can influence external events.

Khan says he knows what Ursula is doing in the medlab. In the previous episode, Madot and Ursula had successfully made Madot pregnant.

Khan asks Ivan, “My brother, what have I done?” and Ivan replies, “What you always do. Guided us, inspired us, protected us.” In ST III, after destroying Enterprise, Kirk asks McCoy, “My God, Bones, what have I done?” and McCoy replies, “What you had to do. What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live.” This is the second time the series parallels Khan with Kirk, the last episode noting that when things don’t go according to plan, Khan changes the plan, much like Kirk changing the rules when faced with a no-win situation (ST II).

Ursula’s medical analysis translated says Richter died from a broken neck, and that he suffered fractures to his arm and legs before his death. She notes his age at 16 and his race as Caucasian.

Ursula’s description of the Ceti eel is consistent with Khan’s own description of them to Chekov and Terrell in ST II.

Paolo extended his dynoscanners’ range last episode by scavenging a Starfleet part - a coil - that he found in McGiver’s quarters.

Madot’s suggestion to use diatomaceous earth is a good one. It’s used for pest control even today in exactly a manner as she says.

Lear says Reliant’s mission to the Ceti Alpha system in 2285 was “5 years ago”. It is clearly rounding, since the current year established in the first episode was 2293. Lear’s skepticism about Reliant not noticing a missing planet or Enterprise being unaware of Ceti Alpha VI’s instability are questions that occasionally pop up in fan discussions about ST II.

McGivers’ recording now jumps to Day 119, nearly 4 months into the exile.

Ursula says McGivers’ HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, known as the pregnancy hormone) levels are over 30,000. At 6 weeks of pregnancy, the expected HCG level is between 152 to 32,171 mIU/mL.

McGivers says that in 4 months they’ve only lost 3 to the eels. Counting Richter as one of them, that means two more of the colony have died, which would bring the numbers down to 67.

Marla tells Khan how the Prime Directive is drilled into them, specifically not to provide advanced technology to those who haven’t developed it themselves.

Khan weds Marla, the ceremony officiated by Ursula, transforming her status from Khan’s Woman to his wife, as he called her in ST II.

It’s been a busy week, so I apologise for the lateness of the annotations.

Lear estimates the opening recording (Tape CA5-29-4), where Khan admits he lied to Joaquin about the circumstances of his father Joachim’s death, between Day 6000 and 6500 of the exile, which makes it about 16.4 to 17.8 years after, or around mid-2283 to late 2284. This is assuming that TOS: “Space Seed” takes place in early 2267, given that it was the last episode of Season 1, which mostly takes place in 2266, and was broadcast on 16 February 1967.

This brings the years in line with the now-accepted 2285 dating for ST II, rather than taking Kirk and Khan’s statement that 15 years have passed literally. That would have been true if you took the real world time span between 1967 and ST II’s release in 1982, but the preponderance of evidence places ST II in 2285 - not least the 2283 vintage of McCoy’s Romulan Ale - rather than 2282.

Lear then cross references between Days 30 and 45, the former of which is one day after the events of the previous episode.

“Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown,” is from Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 2, Act III sc i.

Khan’s recording continues to state it’s been more than 15 years since it rained on Ceti Alpha V. Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months into the exile, laying waste to Ceti Alpha V, so that is another indication that the 15 years statement in ST II should no longer be literal.

Richter becomes the first victim of the Ceti eel. Khan states in ST II that they eventually kill 20 of his group, including McGivers. Incidentally, they are not named in the movie, but are named in the script. The name is also present in the novelisation by Vonda M. McIntyre and then picked up by Shane Johnson (as she then was) in the 1989 Star Trek: The Worlds of the Federation and also in Greg Cox's 2005 To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh.

Dynoscanners were first mentioned in ST II, when Reliant picked up signs of life on what they thought was Ceti Alpha VI. Dynoscans were also mentioned in TNG: “Reunion” and TNG: “Ethics”.

McGivers says that when things go wrong Khan changes the plan. This reminds me of Kirk’s penchant of changing the rules in order to win, something Saavik comments on in ST III.

Richter’s compulsion to obey Khan’s commands is an effect of the Ceti eel, as Khan explains in ST II. But eventually as the larva grows, comes madness and death.

McGivers says it is Day 41 of the exile, with just about 3-4 months to go before Ceti Alpha VI explodes. However, this must be a mistake, because she also says Khan and Richter have been missing for two days, which makes it Day 31, since the hunting party left on Day 29.

Ursula calls for 10 ccs of “coranaline” to treat Richter, which I don’t believe has been mentioned before, but from the context could be a sedative or analgesic.

Sylvana and Richter are the next deaths, bringing the numbers down to 69.

I recently saw Star Trek Picard, the first season was okey, season 2 was awful, the season 3 was nice.

Acording some critics last Discovery season is bad, so now I'm afraid of looking a series who has a bad ending, it worth to watch or is as painful as Picard Season 2? Or I should watch Strange New Worlds and Enterprise instead?

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Well, I just finished DS9 for the 3rd or 4th time, and to offset the despair of the finally, I've turned to an emotional coping rewatch of Lower Decks.

However, I don't necessarily enjoy a lot of the season 1 episodes; thus I often start at S1 E8 "Veritas". I feel like it's one of the first truly good episodes of LD, as its narrative structure is a comedic version of Star Trek's general experimentation with alternate narrative formats a la VOY:"Final Witness" or DS9:"Rules of Engangement", and the humor just generally starts to get better. I also find a bit of genius in the foreshadowing that Tendi is more than she lets on with her combat scenes.

Also, the S1 episodes after that are some of the strongest episodes of the seasons.

What are your thoughts? Where do you tend to start on an LD rewatch?

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The tape Lear is listening to is from Day 29 of the exile. Lear mentions that the stardate is unknown. While this may harken back to the TOS Writer’s Guide where (to let writers off the hook for not being consistent with stardates from episode to episode) they say that stardates depend on a variety of factors, including the velocity of the object and its positioning within the galaxy, surely the position of Ceti Alpha V would be known? Unless Lear is just being lazy and not wanting to calculate it.

McGivers says Khan avoided her for three weeks after discovering her communicator, which happened last episode. That means that KHA: “Paradise” (and Hugo’s death) took place about a week, give or take, into the exile.

Tashkent is the capital of Uzbekistan, near the Kazhakstan border. As far as I’m aware, although there are forests in the mountains nearby, there were no jungles filled with deserters and death squads in the 1990s, although car bombs in 1999 were attributed to Islamic militants.

Richter’s flower is identified by Ivan as a corpse flower, or a carrion flower, which describes several species which smell of rotting flesh to attract flies for pollination. His description of a red flower about three feet around is similar to Earth’s rafflesia kerrii, whose blooms are about that size.

Richter and Sylvana allude to a place where he was bullied, and possibly raised. In “Paradise” we find out that Khan liberated child Augments from a laboratory, and in SNW: “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow” we see the Noonien-Singh Institute where a young Khan lives, c.2022, together with a cohort of at least 6 other children.

McGivers tells the Augments the tale of Scheherazade, the storyteller of the Arabian story cycle The Thousand and One Nights, which gives the episode its name. McGivers also echoes the senior staff of Enterprise are discussing Khan from TOS: “Space Seed”, namely that there were no massacres under his rule, and no wars until he was attacked, although Spock points out that there was little freedom as well.

Socrates was indeed accused of not worshiping the gods of Athens and corrupting the minds of the city’s youth. What Khan and McGivers leave out is that he was tried and sentenced to death for that, of which he executed the sentence by drinking a cup of hemlock. Plato was Socrates’ pupil, and one of the main sources for an account of the latter’s life.

McGivers’ observation that Kirk didn’t even know her name before that day is essentially correct, as Kirk mispronounces her name to Spock as “McGIHvers”.

The theme of a seeming paradise hiding dangerous lifeforms is a feature of TOS: “The Apple”. The “insect” that attacks Sylvana is christened the Ceti eel, which will of course eventually be Ceti Alpha V’s only surviving indigenous lifeform and the cause of McGiver's death.

Hugo and Joaquin have died so far, bringing the population of Khan’s colony down to 71.