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Unearthed photo: Teen JD Vance poses with 3 girls at urinals
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I'm no fan of Vance, but I'm really struggling to see why this photo matters.
He supports criminalising people of the 'wrong' gender using the wrong bathroom.
That really isn't what's happening in the photo, as I've said in more detail elsewhere in the thread, and pretending that's what's being depicted makes the attack look foolish and desperate.
I see girls in a boys' bathroom for a joke picture? Is that not what it is? That's what he's advocating to criminalise.
No, what he advocates is legislation that forbids trans women from using women's bathrooms. Women in women's bathrooms is what he's arguing against, his problem is that some of those women are transgender and his platform is one of virulent transphobia and persecution.
To argue this demonstrates some element of hypocrisy requires one to say they see transgender people as their assigned gender at birth and not their current gender.
All bathroom bills mention you need to use the bathroom of the gender assigned to you at birth and don't mention trans status at all. Those bills target anyone that goes into the 'wrong' bathroom and they would see what's in this picture as a crime as well.
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/04/11/transgender-student-bathroom-ban-bill-passes-out-of-ohio-house-higher-education-committee/
Under this new Ohio bill, what's in the picture would be a crime.
To pretend this isn't specifically targeting transgender people is cognitive dissonance.
Of course it is targeting trans people, I wasn't saying anything else. I don't understand what you're misunderstanding here. JD Vance supports bathroom bills that will bar people from going into the 'wrong' bathroom, but he was totally ok with it back in high school is the point we're making.
And obviously a side effect of those kinds of laws is that they affect all of us. Make a mistake and accidentally walk into the wrong bathroom? If the wrong cop is around you could be arrested and branded a pervert.
The gender sports bills are the same, now some pervert coach from the opposing team can demand to inspect everyone's genitals, that doesn't just affect trans people, it affects every woman.
No one is pretending anything, and no one is claiming these laws aren't specifically targeting trans people, of course they are. What they are claiming is that the same law would apply to what is being depicted in the photo, which is true.
Dude, what? Do you think trans adults just materialize fully formed? They're attempting to criminalize their ability to understand who they are before graduating high school. It's fucking insane, and if you actually cared about them you'd easily see how these things are inextricably connected.
Yeah honestly I dont think this photo is anything. Vance is a piece of shit, and we have plenty of evidence. A photo of people in the bathroom that was clearly set up as a bit isn’t really demonstrating anything here
This is a picture of women in a men's bathroom. They don't have urinals in the girls room usually...
Or, if this is the women's room as you seem to think it is, what the hell is that pervert J.D. Vance doing in there?
Where did the trans stuff even come from, my dude? No mentioned it until you - weirdly - brought it up.
His hypocrisy between what he’s done and what he says.
I dunno man, downvote me or whatever, but this really feels like it's reaching? This is literally just him fucking around as a kid in high school. Who cares?
He's a piece of shit no doubt, but hate him for the stupid shit he's saying and doing now and recently. Not for some random photo of him from over 20 years ago.
For what it’s worth, I have to agree with you. I guess people forget that kids do stupid shit in high school, and this photo isn’t really that stupid. Now if this was a photo of Vance organizing a right-wing group in high school, that might be noteworthy.
Under his proposed law, these girls would be guilty of a crime and would be sex offenders for using a bathroom that doesn't match their birth sex. The fact that it's in a school makes it "worse".
You might say that's unreasonable, but the unreasonable thing is the law, not the kids.
I don't know what these psychopaths have to do before people like this (not you if that wasn't clear) listen to what they're saying. It's unbelievable. Vance openly supports legislation that would literally make these girls criminals, period.
They're telling us who they are, and exactly what they will do. Please listen.
Yes, he’s a hypocritical misogynist, and he’s obviously an opportunist who will do and say whatever it takes to appeal to his base — even if it means throwing his wife under the bus with blatant racism. You’ll get no argument from me about that. But this photo is not the smoking gun everyone seems to be making it out to be. There is nothing revolutionary about it at all. It’s not even his photo. He just happens to be in it.
Get upset for the right reasons. This photo isn’t one of them.
I went from super conservative evangelical, even harder right than my parents in many ways, in high school, very nearly got pulled into even further right stuff in young adulthood, and now am basically the opposite of all of that. Had facebook been a thing when I was that age, who knows what nonsense I would have been spouting or doing.
I despise Vance and all the he and his ilk stand for, but I agree this just doesn't feel right to me.
Yeah this is a reach. He's a big enough turd we really don't need to stretch this much.
Back to the couch people!
I'm thinking, if you got to have fun, minding your own business... not hurting anyone; No matter how much you may have grown or changed and no longer like or approve of doing those activities, you don't get to be part of a brigade that strips the rights from people who DO choose to and again, aren't hurting anyone. You don't get to incite violence against people who are Minding Their Own Fucking Business without the bare minimum of getting exposed for being a fucking hypocritical piece of shit.
Again, he's a piece of shit and deserves to be called out for it. But like, this is the equivalent of putting out a hit piece about how he didn't share his juice box in elementary school, showing that he's always been against social welfare programs. Like, what?
Even if that is true, I'm not the same person with the same views as I was in high school, and I imagine most aren't. You're not a hypocrite for that; you just grew up. Unfortunately he grew up in the wrong direction, but I think holding people to things they did and believed in a completely different stage of their life is wrong.
Judge people for who they are here and now. There are FAR more consequential and important things that energy is better spent attacking him on than a joke picture in a yearbook from 22 years ago.
Sure, but he's unwilling to let others grow and make their own choices in their time. Just because you don't do something anymore is no reason to ban everyone else from doing it now, let alone criminalize it. He got to be curious and explore who he is, he should be letting others do the same. Exposing this stuff helps show what he is taking away from others even though it was OK when he did it.
This really isn't that, though. These women aren't using a men's room, they're posing for a photo. They certainly aren't trans men using a men's room, as is their damn right should they wanna.
It's high schoolers being silly.
Vance is a deplorable man with deplorable ideologies but this doesn't demonstrate any hypocrisy.
This kind of "gotcha" is uncritical, unserious, and looks desperate.
"So one day you're posing with girls in the boys bathroom and 22 years later you're against it. WHICH IS IT VANCE???"
I guess it's just another Phone-it-in-Friday.
Edit: Shit I'm tired. Forgot what damn day it was.
It shows he's changed: he's no longer cool, man.
He's pushing for laws that make what you see in that pic a crime.
This is a picture in a High School yearbook.
It's not a picture of trans people exercising their rights to use a bathroom that fits their gender.
It's ridiculous to make those things equivalent and say it demonstrates some hypocrisy makes the author look foolish and desperate.
Yet the laws proposed by Republicans do just that.
Do you think it's useful to say that the horrendous bigotry and transphobia put out by the RNC is also a threat to teenagers taking goofy photos for their high school yearbook or does that perhaps strike you as an unserious critique?
Wow man, just waking up from a coma?
Anyway, the last decade or so, Republicans have been extremely critical of transgender people, insisting that mixing sexes in the bathroom is criminally negligent, and deserves criminal charges or "self-defense".
J.D. Vance is a Republican politician who is currently running for Vice President. His running mate is fiercely anti-LGBT, as are most of his closest peers in Washington. He has been photographed in drag, and with women in the men's bathroom.
This illustrates hypocrisy, and a lack of claimed values.
If you would like to learn more about right-wing bigotry and hypocrisy, I suggest removing your head from your ass and opening your eyes.
I totally agree with you about right wing hypocrisy and bigotry, I just don't think this will serve as a good example of it. Being transphobic wouldn't preclude him, or anyone that could be swayed to vote for him, from thinking that gender bending (mocking trans people) comedy is funny... not all performances are endorsements. Things like minstrel shows and blackface were also considered funny at a point in time and it's not because anyone involved thought blacks were people or deserving of equal rights.
They know all of this, but the only thing that matters is making the opposition look bad. The narrative is the only thing that matters, and reality or context are mere inconveniences. It's a politics thing. Annoying if you want the truth, but unfortunately effective in a popularity contest like the US elections.
If anything it's just a bit.. weird....
I tend to agree and give a ton of leeway to stupid, offensive stuff from years past that people have evolved from. We all said and did stupid stuff that we regret. However, this isn't offensive, and that's to highlight that Vance either A. regressed in his values from being normal to being weirdly pro-hyper-traditional gender roles or B. has no true beliefs and is just saying what he says because he thinks it wins him votes.
Because he's purportedly a man of family values and that includes strict gender lines.
So JD Vance has proven to be one of the most hypocritical people in politics, which is a lot to say, like saying he is the one of the people with most guns in Texas or something like that.
This pic, and others like it, are basically checking ALL boxes on the stuff he seemed to be OK with before but now denounces because he is a weird hypocrite.
Thank the gods they didn't have the internet in my younger days. Still, fuck that guy.
Not everything has to "matter".
Also, Lemmy is not the target audience that these revelations are meant for.
Careful i said something similar about the 'yep' comment from 2020 and i got some aggressive replies on here. (Apparently im an enlightened centralist or something haha) I agree with you though theres so much worse out there on this weird fella
I'm a fan of the semi-newish tactic of making the RNC look like hypocritical weirdos. It's effective and there's plenty of material to work with. These kind of reaches look desperate and that's really not the position the DNC is fighting from nor needs to.
"Making them look"?.... I think you misspelled "exposing them for being"
It’s just plain weird
I came here to say this. I'm not a fan but who fucking cares about this shit? It just seems petty and desperate.