I'm no fan of Vance, but I'm really struggling to see why this photo matters.
He supports criminalising people of the 'wrong' gender using the wrong bathroom.
That really isn't what's happening in the photo, as I've said in more detail elsewhere in the thread, and pretending that's what's being depicted makes the attack look foolish and desperate.
I see girls in a boys' bathroom for a joke picture? Is that not what it is? That's what he's advocating to criminalise.
No, what he advocates is legislation that forbids trans women from using women's bathrooms. Women in women's bathrooms is what he's arguing against, his problem is that some of those women are transgender and his platform is one of virulent transphobia and persecution.
To argue this demonstrates some element of hypocrisy requires one to say they see transgender people as their assigned gender at birth and not their current gender.
All bathroom bills mention you need to use the bathroom of the gender assigned to you at birth and don't mention trans status at all. Those bills target anyone that goes into the 'wrong' bathroom and they would see what's in this picture as a crime as well.
State Reps. Beth Lear, R-Galena, and Adam Bird, R-New Richmond, introduced House Bill 183 which would require Ohio K-12 schools and colleges to mandate that students could only use the bathroom or locker room that matches their sex assigned at birth. It would also prohibit schools from allowing students to share overnight accommodations with the opposite sex.
Under this new Ohio bill, what's in the picture would be a crime.
Yeah honestly I dont think this photo is anything. Vance is a piece of shit, and we have plenty of evidence. A photo of people in the bathroom that was clearly set up as a bit isn’t really demonstrating anything here
This is a picture of women in a men's bathroom. They don't have urinals in the girls room usually...
Or, if this is the women's room as you seem to think it is, what the hell is that pervert J.D. Vance doing in there?
His hypocrisy between what he’s done and what he says.
I dunno man, downvote me or whatever, but this really feels like it's reaching? This is literally just him fucking around as a kid in high school. Who cares?
He's a piece of shit no doubt, but hate him for the stupid shit he's saying and doing now and recently. Not for some random photo of him from over 20 years ago.
For what it’s worth, I have to agree with you. I guess people forget that kids do stupid shit in high school, and this photo isn’t really that stupid. Now if this was a photo of Vance organizing a right-wing group in high school, that might be noteworthy.
Under his proposed law, these girls would be guilty of a crime and would be sex offenders for using a bathroom that doesn't match their birth sex. The fact that it's in a school makes it "worse".
You might say that's unreasonable, but the unreasonable thing is the law, not the kids.
I don't know what these psychopaths have to do before people like this (not you if that wasn't clear) listen to what they're saying. It's unbelievable. Vance openly supports legislation that would literally make these girls criminals, period.
They're telling us who they are, and exactly what they will do. Please listen.
I went from super conservative evangelical, even harder right than my parents in many ways, in high school, very nearly got pulled into even further right stuff in young adulthood, and now am basically the opposite of all of that. Had facebook been a thing when I was that age, who knows what nonsense I would have been spouting or doing.
I despise Vance and all the he and his ilk stand for, but I agree this just doesn't feel right to me.
Yeah this is a reach. He's a big enough turd we really don't need to stretch this much.
This really isn't that, though. These women aren't using a men's room, they're posing for a photo. They certainly aren't trans men using a men's room, as is their damn right should they wanna.
It's high schoolers being silly.
Vance is a deplorable man with deplorable ideologies but this doesn't demonstrate any hypocrisy.
This kind of "gotcha" is uncritical, unserious, and looks desperate.
"So one day you're posing with girls in the boys bathroom and 22 years later you're against it. WHICH IS IT VANCE???"
I guess it's just another Phone-it-in-Friday.
Edit: Shit I'm tired. Forgot what damn day it was.
It shows he's changed: he's no longer cool, man.
He's pushing for laws that make what you see in that pic a crime.
This is a picture in a High School yearbook.
It's not a picture of trans people exercising their rights to use a bathroom that fits their gender.
It's ridiculous to make those things equivalent and say it demonstrates some hypocrisy makes the author look foolish and desperate.
It’s ridiculous to make those things equivalent
Yet the laws proposed by Republicans do just that.
Do you think it's useful to say that the horrendous bigotry and transphobia put out by the RNC is also a threat to teenagers taking goofy photos for their high school yearbook or does that perhaps strike you as an unserious critique?
Wow man, just waking up from a coma?
Anyway, the last decade or so, Republicans have been extremely critical of transgender people, insisting that mixing sexes in the bathroom is criminally negligent, and deserves criminal charges or "self-defense".
J.D. Vance is a Republican politician who is currently running for Vice President. His running mate is fiercely anti-LGBT, as are most of his closest peers in Washington. He has been photographed in drag, and with women in the men's bathroom.
This illustrates hypocrisy, and a lack of claimed values.
If you would like to learn more about right-wing bigotry and hypocrisy, I suggest removing your head from your ass and opening your eyes.
If anything it's just a bit.. weird....
I tend to agree and give a ton of leeway to stupid, offensive stuff from years past that people have evolved from. We all said and did stupid stuff that we regret. However, this isn't offensive, and that's to highlight that Vance either A. regressed in his values from being normal to being weirdly pro-hyper-traditional gender roles or B. has no true beliefs and is just saying what he says because he thinks it wins him votes.
Because he's purportedly a man of family values and that includes strict gender lines.
Thank the gods they didn't have the internet in my younger days. Still, fuck that guy.
So JD Vance has proven to be one of the most hypocritical people in politics, which is a lot to say, like saying he is the one of the people with most guns in Texas or something like that.
This pic, and others like it, are basically checking ALL boxes on the stuff he seemed to be OK with before but now denounces because he is a weird hypocrite.
Are we a week away from a picture of him in blackface?
I just about guarantee such a picture exists somewhere.
~~“Kamala Harris created inflation that’s crushing American families, caused a historic crisis at our southern border, and allowed deadly fentanyl to flood into communities across our country,~~ (complete bullshit) and this is what the media is worried about,” a spokesperson for Vance told The Daily Beast in a statement when asked about the photo.
“A goofy high school yearbook from over 20 years ago? Get a life,” the spokesperson concluded (I actually 100% agree with this.)
This is just fucking stupid. There are half a billion more important things to discuss, we don't need this kind of stupidity in the national conversation.
JD Vance puts his cast iron in the dishwasher pass it on
These were his early years, where he was only experimenting with dry humping ottomans.
Why did this matter? At all?
For normal people? It doesn't matter in the slightest.
For MAGA? Who knows. Probably something something trans ruining society
Weird photo.
I mean I don't care about the bathroom stuff, he's just weird.
who cares about this? I mean if it's something he's still into yeah but teenagers will take lots of photos that are not to be taken seriously
The three other girls in the picture were the president, treasurer, and secretary, according to the outlet.
Are they trying to bait him??!! 😂
He's so classy, no wonder Yale wanted him.
I’m convinced at this point that these so called elite institutions are fertile grounds for most of the rich sociopaths that are root cause of majority of current problems
This is high school stuff. Humorous for the yearbook, not a big deal even with his current position on trans people. I'm far more concerned about him being supportive of book writers on fascist movements. As Obama has said in the past, stay focused. We don't need to make things more than they are when there's bad stuff readily available to attack.
Seeing this picture of JD Vance made it all make sense.
The suits, the apparent eyeliner, the sudden radical changes of viewpoint, the book, the sucking up to fascists as long as they will keep paying his bills and tell him he’s acceptable. All of it. It just kind of all clicked into focus.
No hate for people who were big and awkward in high school. It’s all good, and you don’t have to grow up into the modern monstrosity that is Vance just because this is where you started. He’s actually clearly smarter than a lot of the people in that orbit. He should know better; that’s one of the things that made it all weird and hard to understand. I’m just saying that seeing where he started makes it make sense all the little incongruities about where he ended up, as of now.
Ghod, I hope "Occupy Democrats" doesn't run with this. They made a big deal out of Josh Hawley's cross-dressing photos, and I was like "no, that's one thing that should be totally fine"
When the people trying to criminalize crossdressing are caught crossdressing, we should make sure everyone knows.
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