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submitted 6 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

"This is B.S.—you were doing this as a dilatory tactic to help your political friend," says Rachel Maddow on the Supreme Court agreeing to hear the Trump immunity argument, delaying his coup trial. "And for you to say that this is something that the Court needs to decide because it's something that's unclear in the law is just flagrant, flagrant bullpucky."

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[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 155 points 6 months ago

Smith asked SCOTUS to do this months ago. Refusing him then but taking the case up now seems pretty shitty.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago

It's not just "pretty shitty;" it's blatant corruption favoring Trump.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 93 points 6 months ago

Why are people not ready to riot over this? People should be in the streets and setting cars on fire.

The highest court in the land just made a move so corrupt and blatant that there is no defense of it. They’re helping a criminal insurrectionist ex-president escape charges. Are you kidding me?! This is a complete delegitimization of an entire branch of governments highest office with life appointments.

Not only did they not need to take the case but they set it up to delay his trials as long as possible. Meaning that now, his trials WILL LIKELY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE THE ELECTION.

At best we might get a verdict on one or two before the election but sentencing will not take place and that is IF there are no other delays. Those are slim chances.

So yes America will be heading to the polls this November with Trump facing potentially zero responsibility for his actions, maybe found guilty before January, whereupon he could be sworn in and cancel his own trials or could pardon himself.

This court has just shown they would allow him to do that. Why else take this case if not a blatant desire to unfairly install Trump as president? There’s no reason. What I’m telling you is that he won’t face justice if he wins the election. And this just increased his chances of winning dramatically.

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Because the police in the US are not bound by the Geneva Convention nor rule of law. Because the middle class is lucky if it is buried in a mortgage, student loans, inflation, and multiple jobs and is too scared to do anything to lose anything else.

And look at the Seattle CHOP. Or Portland riots. Or the ones in the middle of the country. Or in Rochester, NY. WHERE WERE YOU THEN ? Were you in thee streets fighting the armed, far right terrorists ?

Or anywhere Black Lives Matter because black Americans are the ones leading a route to change and often without support as people say "Why aren't we rioting ?" We rioted in Atlanta. We riot in Missouri.

[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago

Well in Seattle, before CHOP, that bitch ass east precinct started all the violence on cap hill, every single night. Then abandoned shop as if they were under attack, which they weren't.

"THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES"

and those far right terrorists? Yea, those were ICE and BP in unmarked cars, in civilian clothing, pulling up throwing bags over people's heads and throwing them in the trunk. People just walking home from work, not even involved. Pure fucking terrorism. That's what Trump levied against the PNW.

I'm not fucking kidding either. This whole place is fucked, not even worth the paper the bullshit sanitized lies we were raised on.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why are people not ready to riot over this?

Ask what happened to the BLM protesters. Ask what happened to the climate change protesters. Hell, ask what happened to ACORN and Code Pink.

We're dealing with some serious selection bias. The folks that have, historically, lead the charge on street protests have been rounded up and shut down. Surveillance technologies rapidly identify individuals organizing nascent movements. Police informants are disbatched to infiltrate, disrupt, and arrest activists Organization leaders end up shot dead inside burning cars or killed in a hail of gunfire by police or hounded between countries by extradition proceedings or bombed to death in their neighborhoods by city cops.

First they came for the Communists, and I said nothing, because fuck 'dem tankies...

[-] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Maybe it's time to lace up those boots, comrade.

[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago

I love it.

If there's no respect for the law at the top, why the fuck should any of us have any respect for it?

If you wanna be rich you gotta do what the rich do right? Bring on some fucking anarchy, America's been getting primed since Newt Gingrich for a purge, dumb motherfucking out of touch 1% think they're gonna survive it. How'd that work for em in the movies?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

the right has been licking their lips for a purge for a long time. Imo a general strike is a better response. Shut down all business until the market crashes. Stop reading the news and the spins and the takes and just talk to people.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

More importantly, how did it work for them IRL. I heard a lot of them lost their heads in France.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 6 months ago

The good news is that if Trump's arguments hold, Biden can just send seal team 6 after his fat ass. The end of American democracy could almost be worth it.

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[-] Omgarm@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago

Hey now, why don't we trust the court to fairly judge Trump.

.. Has Thomas accepted the 1 mil/year to fuck off already?

[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

If George Soros ever did anything to warrant all the hate he gets he should offer all 5 conservative judges 5mil/yr to retire immediately.

Like, you can't expect them to NOT take it. The rights been selling America out for 40 years now.

[-] Jonnynny@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

He's waiting on a counter offer from Harlan Crow.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago

I'm old enough to remember Dianne Feinstein waving Kavanaugh through his Senate confirmation hearing, just four years after McConnell had brick-walled Garland.

Its crazy how bad Senate Democrats are on judiciary appointments. They bring boxing gloves to a gun fight every damned time.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Old enough? Wasn't that, like, 6 years ago?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Yes. Practically lost to history, in our modern news cycle.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Now we're all focused on these cool Rings that Trump gave us.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 6 months ago

It's almost like neoliberals intentionally picked candidates to enable corporatism or something.

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago
[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 11 points 6 months ago

These headlines are so dumb.

[-] Deifyed@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago

Damn. You guys need to take back your country

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Most people in the country are just as craven, they just believe this doesn’t support their selfish directives so they’re obligated to bitch and moan about it. They won’t do shit though, watch.

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 6 months ago

Lawrence Odonnel's comments at the 5th minute of this video is a very interesting point. It kinda puts a blanket on all of the reason for the video but it is a important point. What the SC will hear is very defined and Trump already lost what he wanted the SC to hear.

[-] 4grams@awful.systems 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Doesn’t really matter though. No one thinks the court will allow immunity. What turnip has been after is delay, and the court just signaled that they have his back. Adding almost 3 more months of delay (the 2+ weeks while waiting for them to accept the case and the almost 2 months before even hearing arguments, and that’s ignoring the time it will take to render a decision). So, the “best” possible outcome is still a benefit to him, and it only gets better for him from there.

The fix is in.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago

Right. This is not a difficult question. OK, so the Supremes want to put their stamp on the fact that Presidents are not absolutely immune because it's not something that's come before them in the past. Fine.

What they could have done is lifted the stay that's stopping the trials from going forward. Then things move on in parallel and there's no need to ramp things up again when the decision inevitably comes out as a no for Trump. Doing it this way means the obvious decision is still made, but Trump gets the delay he was looking for.

[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Actually I think there's a substantial chance that the court will allow immunity for only official acts. That's really the only question before them, because the trial judge didn't rule on whether or not these were official acts, only that there's no immunity whatsoever.

If they do it'll get kicked back down to the district court where the judge will quite obviously say these were not official acts. Then that will be appealed. It'll go nowhere but will waste time. Unless SCOTUS rules immediately after the oral arguments it'll be pushed past the election for sure. It likely will anyway tbh.

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 5 points 6 months ago

I always think Biden should take this asa sign the court is too small. 9 justices apparently isn't enough to handle the caseload and the court needs to expand.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

Why are we waiting for the supreme court on any of this when Biden controls all the guys with guns??

If he's actually committed to any of this he should just send them in and throw the robes out, and fill it up with people who aren't demons.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

So you're saying that Biden should stop SCOTUS shielding Trump from the consequences of trying to make the US a dictatorship by checks notes turning the US into a dictatorship.🤦

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

good luck in November lol

edit: Democracy is when corporations own all candidates and the electoral college designed by slaveowners almost 300 years ago decides all presidential elections.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm not saying that the US system from the 1700s works in 2024. I'm saying that your suggestion would make it even worse than it already is.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

The current situation is that the Democrats are completely unreachable on the issue of "stop arming a genocide", but then somehow this is a bridge too far

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Yeah, turning the US into a military dictatorship wouldn't do anything to stop them from continuing to supply the genocide and I really don't see how you'd ever think so..

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

I've been told by numerous Democrats that I should be voting for them despite their complicity in the genocide of the Palestinian people, because of all the things they're getting done. They could literally get anything they want done to protect abortion and LGBT people and they choose not to, while the genocide continues anyways.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

You've been told that the GOP will accelerate and increase the suffering of the Palestinian people. This remains to be true. If you're voting only on that issue the Democratic Party is the best choice for preventing more death and destruction in Gaza. If you have an argument for how the GOP will improve the situation in Gaza I'm all ears, but I'm pretty certain you don't.

Biden and a good chunk of the Democrats are wrong on how we are handling the crisis in Gaza. They are also our best shot at helping the Palestinian people (electorally). Both things can be true simultaneously.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

That would probably collapse the US

I fully support it, but Democrats want to keep this shithole from falling apart.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

By their own inaction on internal social issues coupled with unlimited support for proxy wars it's going to happen anyways, might as well get in some W's for the rest of us before it all goes down in flames.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

I think they're old enough that they want to delay the inevitable until they're dead and gone. They don't really care about the rest of us, just themselves.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Hard agree, it's vexing getting shamed for voting of all things when these people have actual power.

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[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

No, your right in this case. I think it would be unwise to just let the fascists win. You beat fascists by kicking their teeth in.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago
[-] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

If you say so, TropicalDingdong...

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Remember this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/14/heres-what-we-know-about-trumps-tax-returns/99192032/

Months, practically years, she strung her audience along on nothing burger after nothing salad, followed up with a nice unsatisfying nothing milkshake. How long did that go on for? Like 2 years?

Her show is built to do exactly what it did here, to generate a headline that gets clicks. Outside of that, its vapid with nothing even resembling a material criticism of the state. Its a joke of a show and her viewership are as uninformed as Tucker Carlsons viewership.

Shes an entertainer, not a journalist.

[-] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Okay, you didn't like that one thing she did and used a lot of words to express that and your judgement of this person appears to be absolute and final. Edgy. How does that relate to the topic at hand? Are there any nothing dishes you need to complain about here?

[-] Shaggy1050@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted. I feel like her and Bill Maher are the left's version of Tucker Carlson. Sure they're not AS egregious as Tucker and the Fox wackos but they come off so pompous and smug.

My dad and I loved the original Daily Show with Jon Stewart and when Jon left (I'm so happy he's back now), I tried some other shows and my dad suggested Maddow. I felt like I was watching Fox News at points. I couldn't make it through an episode.

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[-] ElleChaise@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago

Tyrants must be quelled. The law is breaking down around us. Be safe out there, folks.

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