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Exercise should be ‘core treatment’ for depression – study (www.standard.co.uk)
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Exercise should be a “core treatment” for people with depression, academics have said, after a new study suggested that some forms of exercise were just as good as therapy and even better than anti-depressants.

Walking, jogging, yoga and strength training appeared to be more effective than other types of exercises, according to a major new analysis.

And the more vigorous the exercise, the better, according to a research team led by academics in Australia.

But even low intensity exercises such as walking and yoga had meaningful benefit.

The effect of exercise appeared superior to antidepressants, according to the study which has been published in The BMJ.

But when exercise was combined with antidepressants, this improved the effect of the drugs.

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[-] gangstamouse@sopuli.xyz 45 points 7 months ago

After a couple of decades of people telling me exercise would help, I finally decided to try it last year. For 6 months, I did at least some form of exercise at least every other day which, coming from years of being completely sedentary, was quite a change. And at the end of all of that...nothing. I was in better shape of course, but I didn't feel any better, didn't have any more energy, and wasn't any less depressed. That's just one anecdote of course, but my point is that it really sucks seeing studies continually say exercise is the best thing we've got because if that's true then I am well and truly screwed lol

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

I'm in the same boat. I've tried almost everything; hiking, running, biking, swimming, climbing... All it ever gives me is sore muscles the days after, but apart from that it doesn't change my mood in any way. In fact, it usually frustrates me since I don't feel any perceived benefits, but it still costs me time, effort and pain. Doesn't help that I'm very sport-averse because of negative expeiences in my youth.

[-] chknbwl@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I've been clinically diagnosed with depression and other fun stuff for nearly two decades now. Exercise is great as a stimulant to your emotional fortitude but it hasn't "fixed" shit for me like they said it would. "Here's a bottle of 60mg pills, give it a month to feel better". If I had a plank of wood every time I heard that after trying their holistic idea, I'd have built my own house to get away from this fucking dismal housing market.

However, I think our problems paint the picture for us: Mental health issues are treated more like chronic staph infections than the psychological trauma they are. Everyone's damage is so acutely unique to them, because it happened to them, so treatments need to be equally as personal. I don't have the source on me, so take my statement how you wish, but nearly half of all diagnosed Depressives are given drug-only treatments.

The solution is to expand therapeutic services to help more people (i.e. government programs to subsidize the cost of services to the psych practice) and only use medications as a short-term supplement during treatment. This would help those afflicted to reach the point they can do the more holistic approaches and wean off the drugs.

Then again, that doesn't get the pharmaceutical corporations paid... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On a more personal note, we also need better therapists. The ones I have must've had some shit they're dealing with of their own because my sessions were typically abysmal and fruitless. Maybe if I had someone who cared a titch more my brain wouldn't hate me so much. It's probably just another pay-to-win scheme; I'm poor so I'm doomed to shitty service. Idk. I just work here, man.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I'm so sorry. I am chroniclly depressed myself. Lexapro helps a bit but I struggle to get myself to keep taking it. Long endurance exercise like running helps my mood but in my depressed state I cannot get myself to actually do it.

I wish they could just fix our fucking brains so we could be "normal"

[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's lovely but as the article tucks away at the end pretty unrealistic.

When people experience more severe forms of depression simply offering exercise may not be completely helpful, for example, when someone is struggling to get out of bed let alone get to the gym.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Depression is a spectrum. When I was suffering I was still able to go to work and school, I was just in a sort of behavioral rut where that's all I did. Every experience I had felt like eating unseasoned food. There was no joy to it, it was just "if I don't do this I'll die and I guess I don't want that...". I tried Effexor and not only did it not help, it destabilized me pretty badly. Getting into the habit of exercising first thing in the morning every day has really turned that around.

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[-] Blackhole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

That's on them. They'd no different than them being to depressed to get up and take their medicine.

If exercise is the best treatment for depression, and someone refuses to exercise.... well, enjoy depression I guess.

[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I hope you never experience crippling depression where it takes all your mental energy just to get out of bed and shower, where, the thought of doing anything more is just too much.

Exercise is wonderful, and yes helps massively. But depression is a feedback loop. You know exercise (or going to therapy) will make you feel better, but depression stops you, so you start beating yourself up about how much of a worthless piece of shit stain person you are because yes, you're right it is, on you and you're making your depression worse you can't even fucking help yourself you lazy fucking cunt arse piece of shit fucker. And society thinks you're a lazy fat useless slob who is no good to anyone and what's the point of it anyway. What's the point of trying to help yourself when you'll just fuck it up anyway like you fuck up everything because you're a useless waste of oxygen.

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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

One of the problems with depression is that it's corrosive to your internal drive. "Just" getting up and exercising takes the same level of will as "just" getting up and running an ultra-marathon.

Depression isn't just feeling sad. Its depression of the synapses in the brain. This means it takes FAR more effort just to do simple things. One of the areas affected is the executive functioning. This is the part that enables the shift from thinking "I want to exercise" to actually doing it. Effectively it translates will power into action. When this area is depressed it's akin to a car with a damaged gearbox, no amount of revving the engine will just make it work.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

It's like "just" fighting off cancer. Depression is an illness. Exercise can be a good treatment for some people but we wouldn't leave it up to a cancer patient to determine and manage their own treatment. Especially when the illness actively prevents the patient from being able to "self medicate" as it were.

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[-] MeepsTheBard 8 points 7 months ago

Mental illness is illness. If someone had a physical disability that made even going to physical therapy difficult, we'd expect more resources to be directed to help them get there to improve their lives. Or at the very least, we'd have enough empathy to say "damn, that sucks, and it isn't your fault alone."

I genuinely hope you never have to experience a mental health that gives you a real perspective on how that deep depression feels. But I also hope you show basic empathy to people struggling. It's a boomer mindset that's trickled down to us.

[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Bipolar 1 checking in:

Exercise has been a godsend. When I've been better, I would run a 5k a day at lunch. I felt calmer, more stable, and happier.

But when the depression hits, the whole process falls apart. I'll find myself smoking weed to try and numb the feelings but I just end up in a hole for weeks or months. Are these things I can change? Yea, but if I don't have the support of professionals, meds, friends and family, I don't get that push that gets me out of it.

But maybe you have had that experience of waking up on a new day. Perhaps the first day of spring. Perhaps after an oddly good sleep. You wake up and that voice saying "it doesn't have to be like this" is louder than the voice telling you "it's hopeless to try".

Moods go up, moods go down. I have found the time I'm strongest against my depression is when I'm stable, and it's the actions I do then that help me survive the darkness. Exercise won't get me out of a depression, but it does keep it from rearing it's ugly head; at least for one more day.

I know one day I will go back to that hole. I know full well my brightest days will come to an end and I will feel that empty feeling. Until then, I try to put on my running shoes, start my running playlist, and take it one step at a time.

P.S, sorry for launching you meeps.

[-] MeepsTheBard 4 points 7 months ago

🌎 🚀🥺 🌔

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[-] Jentu 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Since the study wasn’t actually linked (as far as I can tell on mobile), here’s a link to it.

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj-2023-075847

From the conclusion: “Depression imposes a considerable global burden. Many exercise modalities appear to be effective treatments, particularly walking or jogging, strength training, and yoga, but confidence in many of the findings was low”

I always worry about studies like this because it always seems to me like it might be difficult to determine if exercise is the catalyst to better mental health or if someone’s bettering mental health through any number of other kinds of treatments or even changes in a persons social life was the catalyst for exercising more. When I’m feeling particularly depressed, I absolutely don’t feel like exercising, and when I start to feel hopeful for the future, I find myself wanting to exercise more. Same with “just go outside and walk through the woods”. I only feel like doing that on days my depression isn’t particularly bad.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the link.

I think the authors shared your concern as well.

Our review did not uncover clear causal mechanisms, but the trends in the data are useful for generating hypotheses. It is unlikely that any single causal mechanism explains all the findings in the review. Instead, we hypothesise that a combination of social interaction,61 mindfulness or experiential acceptance,62 increased self-efficacy,33 immersion in green spaces,63 neurobiological mechanisms,64 and acute positive affect65 combine to generate outcomes. Meta-analyses have found each of these factors to be associated with decreases in depressive symptoms, but no single treatment covers all mechanisms.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 14 points 7 months ago

how about just like

MAKE THE WORLD LESS DEPRESSING

maybe that might help

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[-] FlightyPenguin@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

In my years of depression, I was also in peak fitness. Like, hours of cardio a day level of fitness. Maybe it helped (I sure couldn't tell, but I would probably have been worse without it), and I imagine it helps a lot of people. But a lot of these reductive headlines are going to encourage the "just go outside or something" crowd to be even more dismissive of people with depression. Or people will see "core treatment" and think "instant cure treatment".

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[-] Lumelore 12 points 7 months ago

I hate when people tell depressed people to "just go work out." When I was struggling with depression, I could hardly get out of bed and put on a fresh change of clothes, and somehow, they thought that I'm going to go outside and go for a walk! They really need to start with something more realistic like telling them to finally go and brush their teeth, because that is a lot more doable for them, and that still feels good too.

I do recognize that exercise does help. I'm in a lot better place now and I exercise daily, but if you're asking a depressed person to do that, you might as well be talking to a rock. Also sometimes people are just really depressed, and even if they do exercise, it hardly helps, since exercise probably isn't fixing the root issue.

[-] lapping6596@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

During my deepest depression I would go to the gym to lift weights because it was an invisible way to punish myself.

[-] Lumelore 4 points 7 months ago

I'm curious, did that make you feel better or worse? I used to punish myself by slicing up my forearm and it did make me feel happy even though it was a terrible way to go about doing that.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Jokes on them! I can't get myself to exercise because I am depressed.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

Right, I wonder if there's just a misunderstanding here and they're just asking people exercising if they're less depressed than when they weren't exercising and it's like, no shit they're feeling better if they weren't they wouldn't be out there exercising.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

This is a meta analysis of 218 clinical trials, they would have been more controlled than that.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Cosigning this, getting into the habit of working out every day has changed everything about my life for the better. I'm happier, more productive at work, more present for my friends and family at home and, counterintuitively, have a lot more energy with which to attack the day.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

With anti depressants to help keep it under control, adding exercise has helped me for sure. Ymmv of course.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

It won't be implemented, because personal trainers are more expensive than (most) antidepressants.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Rec centers are all over the place. They are cheap and they have decent equipment. They also have people who help. You don’t need a personal trainer to go for a walk or lift weights.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm always worried I'll do something wrong and drop something on my head or something and end up on some zoomer's tiktok snuff video.

Probably stupid but anxiety is commonly co-morbid with depression so I doubt I'm the only one.

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[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You can get an exercise prescription in the UK. It's basically a pass to use the local (public) leisure centre. Your don't get a trainer but you do get to use the equipment.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

This is the "just decide to be happy" of treatments but with extra steps (like a jog).

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