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[-] HotDogFingies@kbin.social 170 points 9 months ago
[-] HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 9 months ago

Exactly this. If you don't want me to quit without notice, do you also vote against politicians who vote for "right-to-work" legislation?

Yeah, you don't get to write a fucking law that says you can fire me on the spot for any reason at all and then insist that I give you two weeks.

Besides, these days it's a different world - there's a labor shortage. A serious one. Warm body? You're hired. Nobody gives a fuck. They can't afford to. Especially in minimum wage.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

Unless you're in IT, apparently? Idk.

Relatedly, my conspiracy theory is that the spate of recent layoffs are coordinated pushback against all the strikes and unionizing as well as pushback against RTO etc. Just a wild idea I had... May be total horseshit, idk.

On the other hand, we have seen collusion in the past within some sectors (e.g., price fixing, no poach agreements, wage fixing), and antitrust violations often go unpunished or weakly penalized, corporate leadership is strongly driven by profit often to the exclusion of ethics and at the expense of all else. And employee compensation is a significant part of most company budgets. So, I think my wild idea is at least somewhat plausible.

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[-] passntrash@midwest.social 158 points 9 months ago

While I doubt this actually happened, I'm still disturbed by everyone cheering it on absent any context that would make OP not look like a petulant child.

Quitting without notice doesn't require justification, fuck the bosses, whatever.

But for all we know, this manager had bent over backwards to stand up for their employees, or cover for them. Maybe this employee took advantage of that and was miserable to his coworkers. Those are just as likely as anything else, given that no further information was provided.

At least invent a backstory how this manager was dogshit or abusive, or the company was awful. Make us want to believe that you're not just someone with a persecution complex who's quick to anger and lash out.

[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'd be more inclined to see your point, except that the manager in question said "each job requires 2 weeks notice" like he was indignant that he didn't get something he deserved.

That's not only not true at all, it's active manipulation on their part in a hail Mary attempt to have their work covered for enough time to look for another employee.

It may be unprofessional to quit without notice, but it's really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks' notice, particularly in a place that might also allow the employer to fire someone for any reason at any time with no notice.

[-] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago

it's really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks' notice

If it's part of the contract then it's not unprofessional at all to bring up the terms that you've agreed on. My job requires a month's notice and it wouldn't be unprofessional for my employer to bring that up if I tried to quit on the spot.

That being said, I don't live in a place with "at-will employment", which is a fucking travesty and should never have been allowed in the first place.

[-] Rev3rze@feddit.nl 16 points 9 months ago

I'm not from the US but I always assumed "at-will employment" works both ways. You're telling me it doesn't?

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[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

If you doubt this actually happened clearly you've never worked in customer service/ food service

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[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago

I'd say the reply from the boss is enough to justify that response. The boss is chiding him for not putting in a 2 weeks notice, calling him unprofessional. From this one interaction you can make a pretty good assumption as to the quality of the boss. The only proper response to someone quitting is either a counter offer or a farewell, not a guilt trip.

[-] passntrash@midwest.social 39 points 9 months ago

Not really... It is unprofessional. That doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong, just that it's not always unreasonable for a manager to point that out. Again, we lack any other context for the situation.

I would add, that he also followed it up with a good luck and didn't drag it out. So, based off what limited evidence we have available, he seems like the more reasonable person in this situation.

Have you never had a good manager and a bad coworker?

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[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 32 points 9 months ago

It is unprofessional though. And that boss was not really being a dick.

Now this person has to go call the staff to find someone to fill shifts last minute, which everyone hates.

Unless your relationship with your boss is absolutely awful, it's not hard to give notice.

The "you're lucky you even got a text" really looks like the employee is toxic.

[-] StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

A good rule of thumb is to never, ever burn bridges with past managers. Keep your dignity and remain professional. You never know when you'll need them as a reference.

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[-] meat_popsicle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago

Fuckin managers will fire you with 0 notice, but that’s life and “at will employment”. You fire the business and you have to give 2 weeks because business run “lean” and “at will” is only supposed to be used by the business.

Well, there’s risk and reward in business, and more risk in running lean. Managers can always structure their departments to not be impacted by an inopportune departure. After all, people can get hit by a bus leaving their house in the morning.

Hell, if an employee is that critical, maybe they should be put under an employment contract with set terms and compensation agreement. You know, like most directors have.

But we all know these things will never happen.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago

Saying you did something unprofessional is a guilt trip?

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Nah. Fuck em. If they were a decent manager they'd thank them for the notice they did get because they know that many managers punish people for giving notice.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago
  1. It's a meme, all that backstory wouldn't fit
  2. You're saying it's silly to assume/make up the backstory of the employee, yet you dedicated a whole paragraph making up a backstory for the boss
  3. It's a meme my guy, in a community titled Lefty Memes, what do you expect?
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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 94 points 9 months ago

If they’ll fire us with no notice, we should quit with no notice.

[-] june@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

The only reason to give notice is if there are benefits to giving notice, like having banked PTO paid out or something (if you’re in a state where it’s not required to be paid out). Otherwise, absolutely call the morning of and let them know you quit.

[-] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

That may not be the best advice. Depends on your industry, but burning a bridge so quickly may hurt you in the future. I’ve had former coworkers and other managers help me get my foot in the door for another job.

Besides, there’s something cathartic about knowing the end is right there and still getting paid for it.

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[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 9 months ago

No notice for 20,000 layoffs? Oops, 2 weeks from... uh, 2 weeks ago.

The key is to dip after changing the password on the vital database they decided one person was enough to manage ;)

[-] excitingburp@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

In the US there is no notice period for firing in "at-will" states (which is all except Montana). It goes both directions though, there is no notice period when quitting. So chances are, if the OP is in the US, the boss was full of it.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago

Believe it or not, nobody can make you work if you said you're done.

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[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 17 points 9 months ago

It can be unprofessional without being illegal.

2 weeks notice is a pretty much universal standard when quitting. Layoffs usually gives with severance pay, so unless you pay severance to the employer when quitting, giving a courtesy of possible doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

It's as professional as no notice layoffs are. It's a two way street.

[-] zourn@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

But severance pay is almost always part of consideration in a "you can't sue us" contract. So the company is not just giving you pay in lieu of notice, they're buying your rights away.

I've also seen plenty of corporations that punish you when you give two weeks notice by immediately barring you from working and you end up losing two weeks pay by planning on being considerate.

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[-] protist@mander.xyz 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Then your next job calls this job to verify your employment, finds out you quit without notice, and withdraws the offer

Edit: I get that no one cares that what I'm saying is a real thing that happens in some companies. Just know that it is and tread carefully if you're thinking about quitting with no notice period

Edit: Also no, it is in no way illegal in the US for your previous employer to reveal a basic description of the terms of your separation to future/prospective employers

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 65 points 9 months ago

You really think they offered a position without already doing that, if they were going to verify employment at all?

[-] protist@mander.xyz 14 points 9 months ago

Is this going to be their last job? Lots of employers verify the last 3 employers or last 5 years

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 71 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Lots of employers don't verify at all, especially for low level stuff.

Companies are also unlikely to provide much more than the start and end date of employment. No point taking any risks, no benefit from warning another company.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To each their own I guess...I work in healthcare and this is a very real thing that has negatively impacted people I've known who have quit without notice

Edit: Who is downvoting this one?! Fuck those hospital staff, I guess

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 27 points 9 months ago

Have you never had a job that didn't even go on your resume? I worked part time at a video store for some extra cash while I was waiting for a career position to start. I gave the heads up when I was leaving but if the manager had been a dickbag or something I would've fucked them over with no ragerts. We have zero context for this (probably fake) text.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

I live in Georgia USA my employment laws explicitly state I can be fired or quit for any reason or no reason. As much as that sucks, I could quit because I don't like my boss' new haircut and that's ironically more legally protected than me being fired for being bisexual.

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[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

I'm a manager. No, I don't care. Agencies will because they want to see you a service. But even they don't go as far as more than 1. 2 references are rare.

I've dealt with plenty of applications and agencies. I don't think it's an insignificant sample size and experience.

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[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In the United States, that would be illegal. The only information that a company is allowed to give is whether a person is employed or not. Anything else will open them up to legal troubles. So you're right that this conversation could take place, but it wouldn't, and if it did, the former employee can make bank in court for damages.

E: turns out I was mistaken on this as it's what I've been told many times over. However, on a state to state basis, and specifically in my state, information shared is restricted to being work related. I think a nasty text isn't work related, but it could be said that there wasn't a notice given. IANAL, so ignore everything I wrote and don't spread as fact. Be better than me.

[-] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is false.

Former employers can answer a narrow set of questions without opening themselves up to liability. Among them:

  • dates of employment
  • documented departure reason
  • eligible for rehire
  • status of non-competes

I'm guessing somewhere between the departure reason and "no, we wouldn't rehire this person" the new employer might have some additional questions for the prospective employee.

Some companies deserve to have you quit without notice, fuck 'em, but they are allowed to report some facts to other HR departments who ask.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 35 points 9 months ago

…why would you quit before having the offer in-hand and signed by both parties, which typically occurs after such checks are done?

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They gave notice.

Depending on the contract or location, this is more than enough.

Two weeks is often no more than a courtesy, and not a requirement. If the company fires you, they're unlikely to afford you that courtesy.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 9 months ago

That's why you get a job before quitting the old one, lol

[-] cobra89@beehaw.org 16 points 9 months ago

Except that's not how this works if you were ever in a position to actually verify employment. Every company ever will specifically tell their employees to just confirm whether or not the person used to work there and that's it.

Anything else opens the company up to a lawsuit for slander. The employee is already gone. No company is going to risk a lawsuit just to warn another company of a bad employee.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Most jobs call to verify before they give your offer.

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[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

We need to push for more protections like required notice and/or undermine at-will employment in various ways. I'm sick of corps having us over a barrel in every way.

[-] Vash63@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

I live in the Netherlands which has much stronger workplace protections than USA (which I'm assuming this image is from). It's still normal and maybe required to give notice, usually 30 days, but they also can't fire you without cause and severance.

Notices are logical from a business perspective, they just should be extended both ways.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

"BTW sorry for my last text... But could you please write me a recommendation for my CV?"

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[-] LadyAutumn 19 points 9 months ago

Lot of people didn't read the community title before commenting lol.

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[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 14 points 9 months ago

As someone that might or might not have engaged in that sort of bold move cotton exit strategies literally mirroring the behavior I had repeatedly received from my corporate overlords let me say that it feels good on the way up.

On the way up.

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