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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 153 points 11 months ago

✅ Roaring 20s ✅ Pandemic ✅ Fascism on the rise around the world ✅ Multiple regional conflicts

Oh boy Ive seen this one before!

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

Only this time, the countries falling to fascism generally have nukes, so now there's ultimately no way to stop them.

And people don't want to listen and reject them en masse.

So evil is winning.

[-] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

✅ Fresh new claims for Falklands Islands

The narrative converges

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

hopefully this time we wont need to ship our warplanes over there on makeshift carriers.

we have two shiny new ones now. one of which already has planes on

[-] Strobelt@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I don't like where this is going...

[-] breckenedge@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Relax, we still haven’t seen a ton of assassinations yet

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Russia has been assassinating several a year for years, the Israelis and Saudis both have been killing journalists, and India is currently in trouble with NA for assasinating a Canadian and plotting assassination of an American.

Assassinations are very much happening

[-] BaronDoggystyleVonWoof@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

We were supposed to have a other summer of love 🤷🏽

[-] febra@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

And here I thought libertarians hailed themselves as freedom absolutists.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

they do. right now they're upset because prison or bullet violates their freedom to choose how they punish other people for using freedom incorrectly. the moderates are outside waving gadsden flags and chanting "prison or bullet OR FIRE OR FLAYING OR DROWNING". Because freedom.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I'm so tired

[-] ImTryingLemmy@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

“The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces; organizations that have legal status will have to pay or individuals will have to bear the cost,” Bullrich said.

Can they pay in Pesos? 'cause they can probably do that instead of burning it in their hearth.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 11 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Human rights activists in Argentina have expressed consternation over new security guidelines to crack down on an anticipated wave of protests after the incoming government of libertarian president Javier Milei devalued the country’s currency by more than 50%.

The aim of the new rules is to prevent a traditional form of protest known as piquete, in which demonstrators blockade city roads and highways for hours, days – and sometimes even weeks at a time.

“Under the promise of order [the government] seeks to suppress public protest against the effects of official measures,” said the Centre of Legal Studies (CELS) in a statement.

“The measures attack the right to protest and criminalize those who demonstrate and persecute social and political organizations.”Leftist legislator and former presidential candidate Myriam Bregman said on X (formerly Twitter): “What Bullrich announced is absolutely unconstitutional … The right to protest is the first of all rights.” José Luis Espert, a legislator with Milei’s party, Liberty Advances, replied with a three-word phrase: “Prison or bullet.”The new protocol empowers police at train and bus stations to seize face masks, sticks or other elements they consider could be used in a demonstration.

In this way, it criminalizes mothers and fathers who demand better conditions for their families and excludes those in charge of their care,” said the CELS in its statement.Television newscaster Mario Massaccesi of the TN news channel recalled that Bullrich herself blockaded downtown streets in Buenos Aires when protesting against Covid lockdowns.

“What authority does she have now to tell others they can’t protest?” asked the newscaster.Protests are expected in response to the massive wage cuts and transport and tariff hikes announced as part of Milei’s “chainsaw” economic programme.


The original article contains 516 words, the summary contains 281 words. Saved 46%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This article is straight up missinformation. The person who did that quote, ON TWITTER is not affiliated to the Political Party of the Government, they are in fact Opposition

The Guardian showing being a shit source

Edit: Also want to note, multiple claims on the Article not related to the headline are also fake, the Peso was not devalued by Javier Milei, it was already that bad before he became President, what he did was make the Government stop lying about it

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

the Peso was not devalued by Javier Milei

It absolutely was.

it was already that bad before he became President, what he did was make the Government stop lying about it

That's....what official currency devaluation is.....(frequently but not always and definitely in this case).

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When nobody uses the Official exchange rate for several reasons, you have to look at the exchange rate that people do use. On that matter, no the Peso was not devaluated, the official exchange just stopped being a lie, if you'd like to inform yourself about this please look at "Dolar Blue"

On that note, the only Prices that changed are international companies' prices because they do go by it. Local Prices and other countries exchanges did not change it's valuation even a cent.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago
[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 4 points 11 months ago

Again, no

The previous valuation was a lie. It did not exist, nobody could get it but politicians and friends of said power. What doesnt exist cant loose value

The current however is real, and everyone can have at it. It does exist, and its been like that for a while.

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

You're telling me things I already know.

Have a nice day o/

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Strange to make false claims in the light of knowledge, bold to say the least

[-] Newguy@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

What's the wrong information in the article? Leftist legislator and former presidential candidate Myriam Bregman said on X (formerly Twitter): “What Bullrich announced is absolutely unconstitutional … The right to protest is the first of all rights.”? José Luis Espert, a legislator with Milei’s party, Liberty Advances, replied with a three-word phrase: “Prison or bullet.”? The article I read states reducing the peso by 50% to be apart of the newly elected presidents administration to address the economy. His economy minister, Luis Caputo, moved to weaken the official exchange rate to 800 pesos a dollar – it had been 366.5 – in a televised address after the local markets closed on Tuesday. He said the central bank would target a monthly devaluation of 2%.“The objective is simply to avoid catastrophe and get the economy back on track,” Caputo said, in a recorded speech. “There is no more money.” The president of Argentina posted , “Today inflation is travelling at a daily rate of 1%, that means it is travelling at a yearly rate of 3,678%,” Milei said on his Instagram feed on Friday.

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 6 points 11 months ago

Jose Luis Espert is not in Milei's Party, as mentioned he is opposition, the claim of "Prison or Bullet" shall not be attributed to his Government. And the "Devaluation" of the PESO is rather complex to explain but basically the only effect is big companies changing their prices accordingly.

Local Prices were already based on the ACTUAL DOLLAR PRICE of the Alternative Market (Not the official) known as "Dolar Blue" the previous official amount was a lie from the previous government that allowed them to steal from Argentina's workers if they moved their dollars into the country (legally that is) and of course no Argentine had access to dollars at that price as the previous government NEVER allowed normal folk to buy it, only politicians, and in case you were wondering YES it was THAT BROAD DAYLIGHT ROBBERY

The rest of the claims are true but given how the most alarming claims were lies I advice you to please enforce critical thinking and decide wether the source is biased or not

[-] Wodge@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Bootlickers are the worst.

[-] aliteral@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

No. They are not. Espert is currently aligned with JxC (Juntos por el Cambio). And surprise to none, they are running the country basically along with LLA (La Libertad Avanza). And even if that weren't the case, Espert literally threatened leftist parliamentaries. The fucker is even one of the signataries of The Madrid Charter, for God's sake.

The Peso was devalued with Milei, and also before. And will keep being devaluated because this govt does not care about the people. They care about the profit as the govt of Fernandez and Macri did.

The right wing is never the answer. Sadly, those who'll pay the price for being so ignorant about it will be the citizens.

Abd replying to something you said, maybe you have no knowledge about fascism, but Milei is clearly a fascist.

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You just gave me the right on everything about Espert... Including that he's just a legislator and LLA having an Alliance with JxC to be allowed to govern... So thanks I guess

However, no the Peso was not devaluated, the Official exchange just moved towards the real exchange since for some reason they dont want to steal more from the Workers and Tourists that fall for the trap of the Official Exchange... HMMMM

And yeah let's just be absolutists and say the right is never the answer, that's obviously flawless and correct and doesnt make you look any biased at all...

And would like to know the quote you are apparently replying to? Because so far Milei has advocated to follow the constitution, has complied with his campaign promises so far and has been democratically elected unlike his opponent in the Elections who has De-Facto President on his Minister of Economy facade, Surely those arent fascists, correct?

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[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

You're really fighting the good fight here

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's impressive there's even a fight to be had here, I expected Lemmy to be way more critical than Reddit but people seem to boast being lied to, meanwhile in Reddit this article has already been taken down for missinformation, thanks to the dozens of Argies providing proof of it being the case, saying the same things I am

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I mean this place is a leftism cesspool, even more than Reddit. I'll post miles new measures for the first week in Spanish on the arg Lemmy if you want

[-] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 11 months ago

There's an Arg lemmy? If so mind linking it, dont think I've seen one yet

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

So he's basically just a liberal, right? Similar expansions of the police and increasing militarization happened under thatcher and reagan. He might call himself an "ancap", but he's probably just gonna be the same as them, in practice, since we live in a globalized economic system. No call from me on whether or not he's going to be worse or not as bad, but he just seems like he's basically the same as them ideologically.

[-] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Ahh yes, the notoriously liberal Thatcher and Reagan....

[-] itslilith 2 points 11 months ago

In any country except the US, yeah. Liberals are right-wing free market conservative

[-] Water@real.lemmy.fan 5 points 11 months ago

My first thought was that this was very un-Libertarian of Milei, and then I got my answer:

José Luis Espert, a legislator in Bullrich’s Together for Change alliance, which is in coalition with Milei’s Liberty Advances party, replied with a three-word phrase: “Prison or bullet.”

Milei did not even say these lines.

It seems to be mostly about cracking down on disruptive protests that block traffic, etc.

Some of this just isn't that bad:

It also limits the participation of teenagers in social protests, ruling that parents of youngsters who should have been at school instead of protesting will be sanctioned.

Fair & good.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Reading past the headline? Yeah...we don't do that here

[-] Jode@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

Believe it or not, jail...

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