Make yourself secure and see who tries to talk you out of it.
You said it so much more concisely than I could!
Outside of a couple of sizable errors, I've generally always had a good vibe sensor. Most bad people have an approach to things that gives them away if you're sufficiently cynical. The obvious things I've used:
These are some of the obvious ones. Less obvious (and harder to communicate) ones include a whole lot of body language.
Honestly? Really, really good at it. I joke that I can practically smell when a man is a sexist asshole from a mile away.
There’s something to be said about people’s word choices, mannerisms, and general personal conduct that gives away a lot about them.
If I don’t pick it up immediately, then it’s revealed if I dare to push back on something a man says or disagree with him. Even if I’m engaging in jovial conversation with them - their attitude turns right away.
I'd like to say I can always tell but it feels like it's all of them. To the point that it's practically a miracle to find one that gives me good vibes.
Maybe there are some false positives in there but it hardly seems worth the risk, you know?
I can't blame anyone for feeling that way at times. I felt really similarly when I was younger.
And then I gave birth to a son. That really forced me to look at the nuances of men's struggles in a new light. Which isn't to say that I give more men a pass - I've become more militant about cutting toxic men off and calling them out. But I have new depth to my empathy for men's issues.
There's good ones out there.
Perhaps I am so harsh on them because familiarity breeds contempt. I am attracted to women and manage "not being a creep" just fine. I have a dick and have no problem respecting consent. I had testosterone coursing through my veins for the majority of my life and still managed, though not without some (admittedly painful) introspection, to unlearn much of the misogyny, racism, ableism, homophobia, xenophobia, and transphobia with which I was raised, and I didn't need estrogen to do it (although I am much happier now that my egg has cracked!)
I do not think that anti-racism, anti-fascism, and anti-sexism are much to ask. I do not think that a proactive anti-queerphobia is too much to ask. And yet it seems so hard to find! (And of course such men are never single - which isn't much of a surprise given that I see so many women settling for far less in a partner 😥) But even in terms of making friends, it's such a desert out here.
It seems like every time I meet someone male-presenting who is all these things and interested in me (as friends or otherwise), they almost always turn out to be transfem. (Which is also fine, because of course I love transfems!) But it does strike me as odd that i'm both poly and attracted to men and yet haven't been with one. I don't even really have many guy friends (and not for lack of trying)! I feel so, so bad for all the straight girlies out there, I don't know how y'all manage 😣
I do not think that anti-racism, anti-fascism, and anti-sexism are much to ask. I do not think that a proactive anti-queerphobia is too much to ask. And yet it seems so hard to find! (And of course such men are never single - which isn’t much of a surprise given that I see so many women settling for far less in a partner 😥) But even in terms of making friends, it’s such a desert out here.
Maybe proximity is a factor as well. I live in an area that is more left-leaning than most of my country and some of the men who live here are here because of that factor.
I ended up re-marrying a man even though I thought I would only settle down with another woman after my divorce. He's one of the most emotionally intelligent and kind people I've ever met in my life. He's not transfem, though he's incredibly open-minded about gender and sexuality and gender roles. But then I start to feel weird waxing poetically about what I find so attractive about some men here because it feels like a "not all men" kind of statement and I'm always conscious of not invalidating others' experiences.
I do not think that anti-racism, anti-fascism, and anti-sexism are much to ask.
You're 100% correct here. It's not too much to ask. And a lot of men act like we're asking for the world when we ask for this.
Sometimes women are attracted to men - I don't think expressing your love for a man who treats you the way you deserve is against the spirit of this space. Your experience is just as valid as anyone else's.
It would be different if you were using your perspective to silence others but I don't think that's something you would want to do.
It would be different if you were using your perspective to silence others but I don’t think that’s something you would want to do.
Never! I do hope that your path crosses with some good men in your future though :)
I seem to have found one in my ttrpg group, but he reads as very queer to me for some reason I can't put my finger on, so 🤷♀️
I guess only time will tell 🤣
So often it just feels like a waiting game. "How long before this one says or does something gross?"
Once you get burned by an abuser, you get wise to the signs
I can't tell if the people comparing this to racism have zero empathy or are just trolls. I generally feel like the experience in this community is more combative than most Lemmy communities, despite most people having good intentions here. I suppose it only takes a few trolls to ruin the vibe....omg is the trolling some avante garde performance to illustrate the point?? Only a few users are trolls but it makes us wary of everyone!
Seriously though, of all the ways to present this concept, the OP is pretty straightforward. Don't kill the vibe.
I generally feel like the experience in this community is more combative than most Lemmy communities
It's because it's a women's only group. Reddit has similar issues with brigading in their women's communities.
I can’t tell if the people comparing this to racism have zero empathy or are just trolls.
¿Por que no los dos?
I know not ALL black people are violent. The issue is I don't know WHICH black people are violent.
That’s true of people in general. Given that the strength differential between races is negligible in comparison to that between genders, there’s no reason for someone to view any race as more dangerous or threatening than any other.
Whereas I also don’t know which women walking down the street are violent, but that doesn’t matter as much to me, because they can’t generally beat me to death bare-handed.
Comments like this show that Lemmy has a 2012 era Reddit level misogyny problem.
Imagine degrading the real lived experiences of women by comparing those women to racists.
On top the race analogy doesn’t even make sense. Women are worried about which men because the biological differences in strength and muscle mass is immense. The average man can easily physically overpower the average woman.
There isn’t any particular “racial” “advantage” that would cause men of one ethnicity to inherently fear another ethnicity. Unless one of those men is really into physical fitness, two men of different ethnic backgrounds will be roughly equal in physical capability.
The only cause of such racial “concern” is prejudice and ignorance. No excuse.
We get it. You're in the meme and you don't like it.
I know not ALL men are incapable of understanding the nuances of social issues. The issue is THEY are too weak minded that they can't see past their hurt fee-fees and actually understand what the problem is.
Seriously, this is middle school level understanding, and you're failing.
Be better.
Spotted the bad faith actor.
Every damned time.
Push that false equivalence back up the orifice you pulled it from.
The problem is that it's not all men, but it's somehow always a man
In this case, a dookieman apparently
In general I cannot tell who is genuine. People who I have thought were genuine have lied to me even when I’ve given them chances to be honest letting them know I had video footage. Lied like angels. So, I admit I have not a clue and just avoid people in general.
I have autism and same, I've been burned so many times and I attract narcissists like nothing else
The bad ones are the ones bragging about how nice and good they are. 100%, every time
Good logic for being a racist too
No, it's good logic for dismissing objections to personal security and reasonable precautions. Which abusers are constantly complaining about not only women but minorities doing. Black panthers walk the streets with legal firearms, fascist jackboots descend upon them to turn it into a problem. Women want to carry mace in their purse or have single use unisex bathrooms with lockable doors, some asshole man complains about how little faith women have in him.
Don't be racist, don't be sexist, don't play shocked pikachu when oppressed demographics don't give the oppressing demographic the benefit of the doubt while they're still under oppressive conditions.
I suppose it goes both ways
Not really, no. That's kinda the whole point.
On other occasions, like this, it's rather easy to tell WHICH man.
Yes, obviously duh
only if you're racist against the race in power
Online? Really good at it. In person? Not so much.
I'd argue enablers are almost as bad as offenders.
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